[Michael81Dus]

Tictoc, you forget that at Adenauers times - according to the argumentation of adam_az - there was no Palestinian people.

I do not defend the policy of the German government, I defend that what they´re doing right. You may be right that I go away and sing "lalala" - because this whole conflict is too difficult to believe in one side only. Maybe it is willfully blind, but ask around in the city you live - so many people do not really care about the dam-ed conflict anymore. It´s time for peace, finally.

So I look at the facts and think how I would react. I´m not paid for counseling my government, Israel or the PA. I´m just a normal citizen who has his own ideas. And I wanna be treated that way.

Btw, name the party in Germany which opposes the road map?
It´s my party? No. I think Adenauer was a great chancellor, and he was also right in caring about good relations with Israel (that´s what Fischer does, too - he is awarded with the Buba-Rosenzweig-medal). But as I said above: times change, and Palestinians are considered as a people today! So we should care about good relations with them, too, without ignoring the special interests Israel has and nobody wants to deny.

[americanbychoice1]

Palestinians are for the most part Jordanians, only the Jordanians hate them and won't let them settle there.

[adam_az]

Michael,

If the Arabs care so much about their Arab Palestinian brothers:

Why can't Palestinian "refugees" be citizens of Lebanon or Jordan where they have lived for 30-50-75+ years? How about Kuwait, which kicked out all the Palis it claims to care so much about?

Wouldn't that be one step to solve the problem?

The Palestinians Arabs are pawns of Israels arab neighbors, which is why there can be no peace until the neighboring countries accept Israel.

They didn't accept Israel in 1948 when there was no clamor for a palestinian state, what makes you think that they will do it after there is a Palestinian state?

Giving them a state now gives justification for their historic rejectionism.

Using your logic, how about Israel expels all arabs, then waits a few years, and annexes it all? Then we will have facts on the ground and can ignore history, as you suggest we do.