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To: adam_az
We both know that turkish democracy needs to be defended by its generals against enemies from their parliament.
Turkey is the only democratic Muslim country we know, and an ally also, so of course relations are better.

What kind of stereotype would you call me?
I´m German, young, CDU-member, supporting the unquestionable right of existance for Israel within its current border but without Gaza and WB (status of Jerusalem needs to be clarified), supporting the road map, thinking that both sides have actively supported more hatred on each other (IDF-actions on the one side, suicide bombings etc on the other), saying that my hope for peace is gone but I´m willing to be persuaded by new facts (such as the decisions by the road map), I don´t want to hear challenges of my facts (someone called me "willfully blind") because what I saw (café bombings, destruction of EU-financed airport, residents) is enough for me.

Would you call me an anti-semit or a radical left?
24 posted on 06/05/2003 2:51:09 PM PDT by Michael81Dus
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To: Michael81Dus
No, you didn't say much in that sentence or three. :)

I'm curious -

1) What do you think is the legal or historical basis for creating Palestinian state?

2) Do you think that all Jews should move from the Judea and Samaria? (the historic names for what is commonly called the West Bank)

3) What do you think of Palestinian "refugees" demands to move to a country they profess to hate?
27 posted on 06/05/2003 2:58:58 PM PDT by adam_az
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To: Michael81Dus
I think it has less to do with anti-semitism than with radical opposition to the policy of Israel. And, not to forget, that Berlin is the biggest Turkish community western of Istambul.

Yikes. Turkey has a pretty good relationship with Israel. You implication is certainly out of character for the Turks who post on FR, admittedly conservatives. If you want to find non-German culprits, I wouldn’t look to the Turks.

A tenant has not the right to do what he wants with "his windows". Usually, the contract says that he has to ask for written permission of the house-owner. I guess the Israel-supporter hasn´t done that...

Not the issue. Anti-Semitic graffiti and the risk to tenants of flying an Israeli flag, not any flag, was the issue. That’s a problem. If an observant Jew, readily identifiable visually, lived in the building and posed a risk, would he have to move too, or simply change his pattern of dress?

Comparisons between the 1930´s and today are a slap into the face of all who were victims of the Nazi regime and who live in Germany of today.

Then they should revisit the history of the late 19th and early 20th century. Jews considered Germany one of the safest places in the world to live. Like America, one of the greatest concerns of the Jewish community was assimilation. Germans who recognize their own victimization at the hands of National Socialism should be sensitive to the early warning signals.

The things that are going to happen now are not comparable with the unbelievable pain jews under the Nazi regime had to suffer from., of course not, but be sensitive to their beginnings. It starts with desensitization>

I do not know any rally where people call for the death of all jews (that would be an illegal, too).

I could direct you to them. Of course, we don’t have the same laws as Germany, so they’d be here in the US

What kind of stereotype would you call me?

I enjoy your posts, but I think you’re a touch naïve, and while I accept your description of yourself as a young conservative German, some of your positions are going to be challenged on an American conservative site, they’re just aren’t always the same thing. Get used to it.

I’ll ignore the rest, since you’ve told me before you don’t want to discuss the middle east, but YOU HAVE TO STOP BRINGING UP THOSE MORAL EQUIVALENCIES, SUICIDE BOMBER=DESTROYING HIS HOUSE, assuming you really don’t want to discuss them. Your facts aren’t facts.

30 posted on 06/05/2003 3:13:40 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: Michael81Dus
Would you call me an anti-semit or a radical left?

You take the side of the so called Palestinians who have sworn to destroy Israel and who, with the financial support of the 22 arab nations(who surround them and have fought five wars to destroy them since the U.N. declared them a nation in 1948), still pursue that same vow to push them into the sea.
The jordanian arabs(falsely called Palestinians), who live in the West Bank and Gaza territory (which Israel won back in the 1967 war and must retain for their own safety),
must never be allowed on the east side of the jordan river until the Lord returns; personally, I think they should be put on the other side of the Euphrates somewhere, and that would be best for them and Israel.
The road map is doomed to failure because the arab nations will never recognize Israel as a nation living in the land Almighty God gave to Abraham and to his seed forever. No E.U. power, no U.N. power, no selfish and hateful muslim terrorists, not even President Bush (who I trust and respect but vehemently disagree with concerning the foolish road map (trojan horse) plan), no liberal power groups,no one at all, can move Israel out of the land again. That nation, according to the scriptures of Jesus Christ( Lord and Saviour of them who believe how he was crucified for our sins and rose the third day for our salvation)will be in the hills of Zion and in Jerusalem when he returns to bring peace to the earth. God said so
and you can count on it.
I would guess you are a liberal and if you vote, I believe you would vote for the liberal left candidates, who have successfully been undermining America's constitution and bill of rights for over 40 years now, therefore I believe you are a leftist. Just a guess.
44 posted on 06/05/2003 5:42:45 PM PDT by wgeorge2001 ("The truth will set you free.")
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