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To: Think300
The absense of important information just confirms that she provides the truth as she sees it and when it is suitable to her current need. Her time at the BOM was a debacle of unethical activity. Why point it out?

That's what I surmised.

I'm trying to get a mental "timeline" on her activities; I'm under the impression that she started at BoM sometime in the mid eighties, which I assume was after her various attempts at academics after high school (do you know what year she graduated from high school?) But then she apparently got an associates degree from the community college in NJ in 1992, so did she take time off from her job at BoM to do this? Did she return to BoM after getting her liberal arts associates degree?

Or, did she not start at BoM until AFTER her associates degree in 1992?

Another interesting point; notice how she apparently left out any mention of her Bachelor and Masters degrees from Hamilton ("awarded" in 1993 and 1995 respectively) when she testified before congress in the WH e-mailgate scandal hearings. This suggests that she knew that her degrees would NOT stand up to scrutiny, which means she cannot NOW claim that she thought they were legitimate when she put them on her resume (along with her PhD. from Hamilton in 2000) when she applied for the DHS job.

It sure seems to me that she's knowingly committed a willful fraud to get employment for which she was otherwise probably not qualified. But from what I've read, we'd better not hold our breath waiting for an indictment anytime soon.

57 posted on 05/12/2004 8:22:11 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: longshadow
As I understand it, she did obtain her degree, (liberal arts) while on a LoA from the BoM. I am not completely clear of the actual time line because it has become muddled over time. It depends on who you are talking to and what the subject is at the time. I am sorry I do not have a more defined scope to share. She graduated from Cupertino High School, in Cupertino, CA, in 1980. From there she attended the 3 separate colleges we discussed earlier. I agree that the intentional omission of the Hamilton degrees while under oath was premeditated. Since her education was the subject of scrutiny previous to her sworn testimony, it would only make sense for her to hedge that particular bet. Since, as you pointed out, her degrees would NOT stand up to focused scrutiny, I doubt she would want them in the congressional record. That would be irrefutable evidence of perjury. She is very bright and can be very slippery when she has had time to prepare. I would suggest that the facts indicate that she has knowingly, and willingly, submitted fraudulent information for entry into her personnel file, openly and continually misrepresented her qualifications, and falsified public records. I have heard rumblings about a criminal investigation. I wish I could find something more substantial on that topic. However, since there are so many other federal employees caught up in the same situation, I do not see her facing any real consequences for her actions. That is unless a couple of junior congressional members are looking to make a name for themselves. I am looking forward to hearing what she has to say on 60 minutes. If nothing more, it should be a great spin fest.
58 posted on 05/13/2004 5:25:32 AM PDT by Think300 (60 minutes is paying her big $ for her upcoming appearance and her lawyer is not talking anymore)
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To: longshadow
Thomas Edison is NOT a "community college". They specialize in "distance learning" where that learning is customised to account for, to credit, adult life-experience.

Here is their "About Us":

n 1972, Thomas Edison State College was created by the state of New Jersey to develop flexible, high-quality educational opportunities for adults. The College originated from the idea that the college-level knowledge adults gain outside the classroom could be measured and applied toward an academic degree.

Today, Thomas Edison State College is one of New Jersey's 12 senior public institutions of higher education. The College offers 15 associate, baccalaureate and master's degrees in more than 100 areas of study to students in every state in the United States and more than 80 countries around the world. Students earn degrees through a variety of rigorous academic methods, including completing independent study courses and documenting college-level knowledge they already have. Identified by Forbes magazine as one of the top 20 colleges and universities in the nation in the use of technology to create learning opportunities for adults, Thomas Edison State College is a national leader in the assessment of adult learning and a pioneer in the use of educational technologies.

See http://www.tesc.edu/aboutus/mission.php
65 posted on 05/15/2004 4:37:58 PM PDT by bvw
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