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Bringing China In From the Cold
The New York Times ^ | 06/03/03 | By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF

Posted on 06/02/2003 8:05:34 PM PDT by Archangelsk

Bringing China In From the Cold
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF

[T] he loopiest aspect of the Group of 8 conclave in Évian is the notion that global leaders are confronting the challenges of the 21st century in the absence of the nation that may well dominate the century.

That's right: China.

Even if China's gross domestic product is measured using its official, undervalued exchange rate, its economy is far bigger than those of G-8 members like Canada or Italy ? and almost three times the size of Russia's. If one values China's economy using another approach, purchasing power parity, then it is already easily the biggest economy outside the U.S.

As it happens, France invited China's new leader ? Hu Jintao ? to Évian, where he may have the highest I.Q. in town (he's an engineer with close to a photographic memory, along with a third-rate conscience). But Mr. Hu may be the second most important man in the world, and he deserves a place in a Group of 9.

On short- and long-term issues that the G-8 grapples with ? from dealing with North Korea to preventing global warming ? the two key players in the world are China and the U.S. And it's ridiculous to include Russia in the G-8 but not China (which adds a Russia's worth of economic output to the world every two years).

Several objections can be raised to expanding the G-8 to include China:

It's a summit meeting for industrialized nations, and China isn't one. It's true that China has more peasants than any country in the world, but it also has more industrialists. Hey, it's China.

China exports more manufactured goods than Canada, Italy or Russia; it is launching a space program to put a man on the moon; its biotechnology is superb (thank goodness it wasn't during the Cultural Revolution, or we would have a billion Mao clones). And while the industrialization of China is still in its early stages, the world needs to wrestle with what that means: if the Chinese come to use as much energy per capita as Americans do, that will amount to more than the total amount of energy now produced worldwide.

China isn't a democracy but a thuggish Communist dictatorship. Yup. I was at Tiananmen Square when troops opened fire in 1989, and all that blood will never be washed from my memory. But today China is not Communist but fascist, in the sense of a nationalistic one-party dictatorship controlling a free-enterprise economy. In any case, the key question is not whether some of China's rulers are thugs but whether they are thugs we can work with. And they are.

China is an irresponsible power that can't be a team player. It's true that China's mishandling of SARS, for example, allowed the disease to spread worldwide. And it has often cheated on agreements and imprisoned dissidents. But China has steadily become more responsible over the years on issues ranging from trade to terror, and in the last few months it has shown real leadership on resolving the North Korean crisis.

President Bush has managed relations with China very well, mostly because Pentagon hawks who had been trying to turn Beijing into The Enemy were distracted by 9/11. There are real risks that we will become enemies ? there could be clashes between the U.S. and China over Taiwan, the Senkaku Islands, the South China Sea ? but they will be lessened if we give China opportunities for global leadership.

Some experts predict that SARS will be to China what Chernobyl was to the Soviet Union: the crack that eventually brings the entire facade tumbling down. I doubt it. Chinese reformers have long urged (behind closed Politburo doors) a freer press, but the party remains instinctively repressive.

Last week, China sentenced Xu Wei, a journalist, to prison for 10 years just for talking about politics with friends; he said he had been beaten as well. Seok Jae Hyun, a South Korean photographer (who regularly takes pictures for The New York Times) got two years in prison for photographing North Koreans escaping through China.

No, Hu Jintao is no Gorbachev.

He's more like a Franco, a Pinochet, a Park. And, knock wood, the China he rules will follow Spain, Chile and South Korea in fostering the educated middle class that will lead it to democracy.

In the meantime, China is too important to leave out in the cold. As the leaders in Évian struggle over SARS, AIDS, Iran and North Korea, they need China within their ranks, as a member of the G-9.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: china; economicgiant
I don't know about anybody else, but this scare the hell out of me.
1 posted on 06/02/2003 8:05:34 PM PDT by Archangelsk
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To: Archangelsk
this scare the hell out of me.

What does?

That China might be accepted as what they are, a big player on the world's economic scene, or that they may follow the same path as other authoritative systems toward a less repressive society?

2 posted on 06/02/2003 8:17:35 PM PDT by Restorer (TANSTAAFL)
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That China might be accepted as what they are, a big player on the world's economic scene, or that they may follow the same path as other authoritative systems toward a less repressive society?

Are you really that ready to cede our dominance to China?

3 posted on 06/02/2003 8:19:49 PM PDT by Archangelsk ("Why can't we pick out our own colors?")
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To: Archangelsk
What's really funny here is the "Nazi logic" being used by this liberal article and its author. If this were 1930, and it was Germany's economy booming, and the Nazi atrocities were beginning....would this guy then argue that we should "bring in Hitler from the cold"?

By his logic, just cos China is big and economically thriving - hey! that must make it a world leader right? WRONG - no Commie dictatorship has any right to any claims of leadership.

4 posted on 06/02/2003 8:22:44 PM PDT by lib-r-teri-ann
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To: Archangelsk
No, but I was curious as to which aspect of the author's argument scared you. Demographically, the US will probably continue to expand throughout the first half of the 21st. Europe will not, and will therefopre become more and more irrelevant. The second half of the century is likely to be a rivalry between US and China.

I have no problem with China's influence growing, as long as it's based on economic competitiveness.

China is going to be a dominant force in the future. It can, at least theoretically, be a dominant force for freedom or for repression. I think we need to do what we can to nudge China in the direction of freedom.
5 posted on 06/02/2003 8:24:45 PM PDT by Restorer (TANSTAAFL)
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To: lib-r-teri-ann
If this were 1930, and it was Germany's economy booming, and the Nazi atrocities were beginning....would this guy then argue that we should "bring in Hitler from the cold"?

Sorry, but Hitler took power in 1933. 1930, OTOH, was a very low point in the history of the Party, and few would have seen him in that year as the future Fuehrer.

The author's argument, which is actually a good one, is that the Chinese cannot continue their economic expansion unless they move up the economic foodchain to higher value-added products. In today's world, that cannot be done in a repressive society, since so much of a modern economy depends on the free flow of information.

So either the Chinese will free up their society, and as a result pose more of an economic threat and little or no political/military threat. Or they will clamp down again, and destroy their own ability to mount either an economic or a military threat.

We pretty much win either way.

6 posted on 06/02/2003 8:30:18 PM PDT by Restorer (TANSTAAFL)
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If this were 1930, and it was Germany's economy booming,

Hitler never would have come into power. As it was, we were able to crush him with our military. However, in comparison, the shear volume of China's population overwhelms ours and that is what I'm scared of: not 100,000,000 Chinese foot soldiers, but 100,000,000 Chineses engineers, entrepreneurs, scientists and other professionals.

7 posted on 06/02/2003 8:31:35 PM PDT by Archangelsk ("Why can't we pick out our own colors?")
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There is some hope that China may be turned from its present domination by power-drunk Communists. It is an old civilization with highly intelligent people. We certainly need to try. But this article is simply foolish. There are no signs that China is more willing to negotiate or to compromise than it ever was. They continue to demand everything and give little or nothing in return. And that won't be cured by pretending it isn't happening or by continually rewarding them for bad behavior.
8 posted on 06/02/2003 8:32:54 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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Are you suggesting that "Evian" is spelled backwards?
9 posted on 06/02/2003 8:35:56 PM PDT by Consort
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We must also distinquish the difference between the Chicom Govt and the Chinese people

When there is a big enough middle-class, and a well-informed public

Then China may evolve into a democratic Govt system

Let's hope and pray for this day

NB; In history, many an evil Chinese emperors had tasted the wrath of the people and had even been overthrown by people's rebellions

Confucius wrote: "when the Emperor (Govt) has lost its "Mandate of Heaven" to rule, (due to misrule), then the people has the right to rebel"
10 posted on 06/02/2003 8:49:03 PM PDT by The Pheonix
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To: Archangelsk
Which aspects mainly scare you the most?

Certainly China is a serious threat far too underestimated, IMHO.

Still, I love the culture and hope to return to teach there some day--unless Heaven calls sooner.
11 posted on 06/03/2003 8:08:55 PM PDT by Quix (HEBREW VOWEL ISSUE DISCUSSED, SCHOLARS N JUNE BCD search for TRUE HEAD TO HEAD COMPARISON CONTINUES)
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