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Trading A Constitutional Republic For Big Brother (Chuck Baldwin)
chuckbaldwinlive ^ | June 3, 2003 | Chuck Baldwin

Posted on 06/02/2003 6:29:55 PM PDT by TLBSHOW

Trading A Constitutional Republic For Big Brother

The principle of limited federal authority is the bedrock principle upon which our government was created. America's founders envisioned a nation of strong, independent but united states, and a very limited and myopic central system.

However, when General Robert E. Lee surrendered to Ulysses S. Grant at Appomattox Courthouse, Virginia, the vision of the Founding Fathers was destroyed. The principle of limited federal authority was cast aside and a nation preoccupied with unlimited federal power and authority took its place.

As a result, we have lived under a European-style federal system for nearly a century and a half. America today has become the very kind of country that our forebears fought to break free from.

Conservatives would have us believe that President Bush and the Republican Party are working to reverse the rush toward bigger and bigger government. They aren't. In fact, Bush and Company are putting the pedal to the metal when it comes to promoting a bigger-than-ever federal system. In fact, Bush has used the events of 9/11 to strip Americans of more liberties than any President during the 20th Century, including Bill Clinton or Franklin Roosevelt.

For example, Bush has selectively suspended the right of habeas corpus, which means the right to know the charges one is being held under. Through his attorney general, Bush has also authorized using federal agencies to conduct searches and seizures without requiring them to first obtain proper warrants. This is blatantly illegal and unconstitutional!

Furthermore, the Bush government now even has the power to investigate American citizens with absolutely no probable cause. Under Bush's policies, a citizen could even have his or her citizenship revoked if they were found to violate these newly enacted and loosely defined anti-terrorism laws.

Obviously, you will not find these kinds of policies in the U.S. Constitution. They are right out of Orwell's "1984" and Hitler's Third Reich. But it doesn't stop there.

Now, President Bush wants to give the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) and the National Security Agency the authority to demand personal and financial records of individual citizens. Beyond that, sources are reporting that private pressure groups are currently being organized to collect taxes for the IRS. They will be paid by commission, of course.

Furthermore, bankers are already being told that beginning this fall all new customers will be subjected to a required background check which will be forwarded to the federal government. That's right! Your banker is soon to be a private snoop for the federal government.

In addition, have you noticed all the check-points going up everywhere? One can hardly travel more than a few miles without finding himself in a long line where various and sundry police agencies probe and even search his or her person and property. If you look closely, you will notice that federal agents are included in practically every one of these random check-points. The old Communist command, "Show me your papers," has become a routine American demand.

This administration is quickly turning what was once a constitutional republic into a federal police state. But what is worse is that the architect of this tyranny, President George W. Bush, seems to enjoy the support of the vast majority of Christian conservatives.

It is extremely difficult to imagine how willingly we forfeited the fundamental principle of limited government upon the altar of pseudo-conservatism and disarming Christian rhetoric. Yet, that is exactly what we seem to have done.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; bigbrother; blackhelocopters; constitutional; paranoia; republic
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Is this true?

bankers are already being told that beginning this fall all new customers will be subjected to a required background check which will be forwarded to the federal government. That's right! Your banker is soon to be a private snoop for the federal government.

1 posted on 06/02/2003 6:29:56 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: TLBSHOW
Who the heck is Chuck Baldwin and why should I care what he thinks? Let's blame the Civil War for everything. It is very chic...that and the them darn neo-cons...blah blah blah
2 posted on 06/02/2003 6:40:08 PM PDT by jnarcus
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To: TLBSHOW
Obviously, you will not find these kinds of policies in the U.S. Constitution. They are right out of Orwell's "1984" and Hitler's Third Reich. But it doesn't stop there.

Yes, Bush is worse than Hitler, and everyone is being stopped and asked for the papers every few miles.

Chuck Baldwin is a kook, AT BEST.

3 posted on 06/02/2003 6:44:29 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: TLBSHOW
"In fact, Bush has used the events of 9/11 to strip Americans of more liberties than any President during the 20th Century, including Bill Clinton or Franklin Roosevelt."

Right Chuck. Take a look at the picture of Elian Gonzales with the MP5 stuck in his face. Then tell me this all started under Bush.
4 posted on 06/02/2003 6:46:12 PM PDT by Steel Eye
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To: jnarcus
Just a concerned conservative christian


FOUNDER-PASTOR CROSSROAD BAPTIST CHURCH, PENSACOLA, FLORIDA. Dr. Baldwin and his wife met with four others on June 22, 1975, for the first meeting of the Crossroad Baptist Church. The church was organized in September of that year. Six acres of prime property were purchased in 1978. Since then the church has gone through five building programs.

In 1985 the church was recognized by President Ronald Reagan for its unusual growth and influence.

Some of the choice spiritual and political leaders of the nation have spoken in this pulpit including Jerry Falwell, Pat Buchanan, Judge Roy Moore, Pete Rice, Lt. Commander Steven Harris, Salem Kirban, Tim Lee, Harold Willmington, Bob Gray, Rep. Joe Scarborough, Harlan Popov, Chuck Millhuff, Walt Hanford, Don Boys, Kenny McComas, Captain Eugene "Red" McDaniel, Stanley Tam, Dr. Reed Bell, Alabama Governor Fob James, Jr., Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson, Constitution Party Presidential Candidate, Howard Phillips, Reform Party Vice Presidential Candidate, Ezola Foster, Janet Folger and others.

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Twice, Dr. Baldwin was proclaimed "Minister Of The Day" in the Florida House of Representatives. Recently, this distinction was awarded him by the Florida State Senate. Also, Pastor Baldwin has had audiences with former Presidents Ronald Reagan and George Bush, Sr. and Governors Bob Martinez, Fob James, Jr. and Jeb Bush. He has also been officially recognized by the Escambia County Florida Sheriffs Department as an Honorary Deputy Sheriff.

Dr. Baldwin is a member of the Board of Directors for Gospel Radio Latin America (G.R.L.A.) in Ft. Worth, Texas, and on the Board of Regional Vice Presidents for Trinity Baptist College in Jacksonville, Florida. He received the "National Medal of Patriotism" award from the American Police Hall of Fame and is a volunteer chaplain at the State Prison in Century, Florida. He is also listed in "Who's Who of the Gulf Coast."

http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/sketch.html

5 posted on 06/02/2003 6:49:29 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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"Chuck Baldwin is a kook, AT BEST."

I need to correct you :-), Chuck is a religous kook, AT BEST

6 posted on 06/02/2003 6:56:31 PM PDT by MJY1288 ("4" more in "04")
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I need to correct you :-), Chuck is a religous kook, AT BEST



Ronald Reagan didn't think so,,,,but conservatives now have no one that is even close to Ronald Reagan left anymore. Really too bad that a conservative forum would bash christian conservatives and make liberal republicans God!
7 posted on 06/02/2003 7:00:36 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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Todd you can think Chuck is king, and not a kook

But come to think of it, I understand why

8 posted on 06/02/2003 7:04:25 PM PDT by MJY1288 ("4" more in "04")
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Oh brother. So, if you call yourself a christian conservative you have a license to call Bush a Nazi, and nobody here is supposed to complain?

Okay, I'm a christian conservative and Chuck Baldwin is a Nazi. Now who are you going to believe? I'm immune from criticism.

9 posted on 06/02/2003 7:06:32 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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I sure didn't say he was a king,, but gee keep spinning the smears.......it is transparent.
10 posted on 06/02/2003 7:08:27 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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Todd all you do is post "smear", You live in the sewer my friend
11 posted on 06/02/2003 7:09:40 PM PDT by MJY1288 ("4" more in "04")
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To: TLBSHOW
They don't see it. As someone said on another thread, "Your 'friends' stab you in the front."

They are being stabbed in the front by Republican "friends" and still deny the truth. There is none so blind as him who will not see.

Would a conservative Republican expand government spending faster than Bill Clinton? Bush has. It is a fact: Non-defense, federal government spending has grown faster under the current president than the former. Is this why we elected this guy?

12 posted on 06/02/2003 7:09:54 PM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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So, if you call yourself a christian conservative you have a license to call Bush a Nazi, and nobody here is supposed to complain?

Yes. It's the "truth" according to TLB; it's a gift, you know.

13 posted on 06/02/2003 7:11:14 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Dog Gone
Hey Dog! Are you familiar with this poster?

If so you should already know what he is about, in a minute we will be deluged with countless cut-n-paste nonsense that has nothing to do with "Chucky's" unsubstantiated claims in this diatribe of paranoia he calls an editorial.

14 posted on 06/02/2003 7:12:55 PM PDT by MJY1288 ("4" more in "04")
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I can't figure out how he finds all these articles bashing Bush to post -- and then, of course, denies they are bashing Bush. Just "holding his feet to the fire," ya know?
15 posted on 06/02/2003 7:14:04 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: TLBSHOW
I see lots of Chuck Baldwin bashing, and flaming here, but no one providing evidence that Chuck is wrong.
16 posted on 06/02/2003 7:15:20 PM PDT by c-b 1
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Chuck has to prove he is correct first. He makes all kinds of claims here that have no sources.
17 posted on 06/02/2003 7:17:46 PM PDT by MJY1288 ("4" more in "04")
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To: TLBSHOW; *bang_list
bankers are already being told that beginning this fall all new customers will be subjected to a required background check which will be forwarded to the federal government. That's right! Your banker is soon to be a private snoop for the federal government.

It sounds like it might be a return of the "know your customer" law which was pronounced killed and dead after the Clintigula Administration tried to sneak it past the radar.

Then, there is Admiral Poindexter, who wants to purchase the same kind of information currently available to private corporations- Credit checks, purchasing habits etc.

Most people don't realize, for example, the "Shopping Saver" card records issued by Grocery Stores can be subpeonaed in civil and criminal court cases. (Tell me Mrs. Smith why did you buy different size contraceptives on August 31? etc.)

I have held for some months the Bush Administration is Clintigula Lite without the sex, drugs and rock n roll.

The Bushbots remain in denial.

So be it.

Best regards,

18 posted on 06/02/2003 7:19:50 PM PDT by Copernicus (A Constitutional Republic revolves around Sovereign Citizens, not citizens around government.)
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"Really too bad that a conservative forum would bash christian conservatives and make liberal republicans God!"
Are you accusing Jim Robinson and this forum of something?
19 posted on 06/02/2003 7:21:13 PM PDT by justshe
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To: jnarcus
Let's blame the Civil War for everything. It is very chic...

And those who blame Lincoln know that if they make their real argument--that the adoption of the Constitution itself is where it all started--they will get even less support than they do now. Patrick Henry warned in 1789 that those who favored ratification were embarking on "Empire" and every citizen would be in danger of being hauled into Federal court on the slightest pretext

20 posted on 06/02/2003 7:21:25 PM PDT by DPB101 (Support H.R. 1305 to cut the Federal tax on beer in half)
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