[Cathryn Crawford]

We do not, unfortunately, live in a perfect world. People have to work to live.

Now, for anyone to say that maternity leave is more important than paternity leave is very arrogant, and rather discriminatory towards men.

I wasn't discussing the ideal life, I was discussing the real life.

I wish it were the way you wish, too.

[Tax-chick]

I wasn't discussing the ideal life, I was discussing the real life.

And I suppose I was discussing the "ideology," risky as that is. If we accept the status quo - "employment as the center of the universe" - as normative, we begin to lose our ability to envision any other situation

discriminatory towards men

and at risk of being redundant, I think we need to guard against using "discriminatory" to mean "bad bad bad." We "discriminate" among things that are different. There is useful discrimination, and pernicious discrimination, but recognizing and evaluating differences is essential.