[unspun]

Hmmm....

Well, if I weigh subsumption in one hand and in the other I weigh universe and abiogenesis from uniformity... well, I'm a reasonable man. You can't do much math, unless you have value and operations in systems, to subsume as the mathematical discipline of your choice. You can't do much reasoning, unless you have reason to use and a universe which operates according to reason. You have have a purpose in life in a purposeless universe.

A presumption of nihilistec origin is precisely the kind of overapplication and policing of thought, made falsely in the name of science in order to attempt to obviate God, which this thread is all about, IMHO.

[unspun]

Please pardon the rushed typo in the above post:

You can't have a purpose in life in a purposeless universe.

I'm moving on to A-G's evolution/QM thread. I think the moral of the story there, as here, is that you can't simply deptict the universe and the life in it based upon finding the most fundamental building blocks and stacking them up.

[Heartlander]

Nailed it!

Thank you!