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To: spunkets; unspun; tame; sultan88
Evolution is a subpart of biology, nothing more, nothing less.

Ah, but it is something less....most of "biology" has been proven...evolution is still just a "theory"....look back to the fossils, supposedly millions of years old, and they find fosseils of moths...hmm...we still have moths today. Evolution at it's purest would mean the elimination of species...or rather the evolution of species into something else. We see today many animals on "endangered" species lists, and ones that have gone extinct....Now, we know they're extinct, they did not evolve into something else, so where is the basis for evolution???? I just don't get it.

Perhaps you need to develop a new "theory", one I personally think is closer to right, the theory of adaptation. Species have never evolved into other species, they have merely adapted to different environments over time. It's also genetics. For example...A tall man marries a tall woman, genetics would calculate they will have a tall child (more than likely), the population gradually gets taller. In Shaekesepere's time it was theorized that the "average" height of man was "about" 5'3", short by today's average. That's not a fact, just a theory, so I am not quoting it.

If we evolved from ape, than why are their still apes?

Evolution has too many exceptions to be accurate. It has become a "religion" any more. People going around with the Christian symbol with Darwin in it. So many evolutionist mock religion that it's almost like being part of WICCA. In fact, I would gather that many Darwinists are also part of WICCA. So, you are still partaking in the belief of a "higher being" or "higher power". You need that to answer just what started that big bang???? Don't say "gases"...because then I will say "where did those gases come from???"

You might as well believe in Greek Mythology as believe in evolution as the end all be all answer for being here.

(Big '88, Tame...you guys want to jump in this debate?)

367 posted on 06/08/2003 7:43:29 AM PDT by cherry_bomb88 ("It's easier to fight for one's principals than to live up to them" ~Alfred Adler)
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To: cherry_bomb88
Bump for later read!
369 posted on 06/08/2003 7:47:47 AM PDT by tame (If I must be the victim of a criminal, please let it be Catwoman! Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!)
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To: cherry_bomb88
I just don't get it.

Neither do I. This comment sums it up quite nicely.

370 posted on 06/08/2003 7:48:54 AM PDT by Phaedrus
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To: cherry_bomb88
People going around with the Christian symbol with Darwin in it.

Yes. If Darwinism is not religion, or is not at least a shot at Christianity, what's the point? The Darwin symbol, mocking Christianity, that we see on the back of autos speaks volumes as to what the Evolutionists are really all about. I've considered buying one of those Darwin symbols and placing it upside-down, feet in the air, on the back of my vehicle, but that has to do with my warped sense of humor, not science ... ;-}

372 posted on 06/08/2003 7:55:37 AM PDT by Phaedrus
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To: cherry_bomb88
" Ah, but it is something less....most of "biology" has been proven...evolution is still just a "theory"..."

Evolution rests on the same foundation of proof that the rest of biology has. " Perhaps you need to develop a new "theory""

Right, just what I need, another project! LOL!

The driving force for evolution has no purpose, only a reason. That reason is, because the DNA that holds the code for some protein(s) changes. What happens is actually an error in the reproductive process. Usually(almost always) errors cause the death of the offspring. If the offspring survives, then the new DNA enters the gene pool. After a cumulation of changes, with some changes more radical than others, a new species arrises. That's because it is significantly different than it's great ancestors from long ago. "the theory of adaptation"

No organism can purposely change the nature of itself regardless of how much it desires to do so. The environment does not effect the change. The change occurs as above. Since change is a long process, there is no way to adapt to a sudden change in environment if the organism isn't already capable of doing that.

" If we evolved from ape, than why are their still apes?"

Well the dems need constituents too. LOL! If the environment supports both the parents and the offspring with the new DNA. They will both survive. Eventually they can become sufficiently different regarding DNA, or embryo protein content(structure), that they can no longer mate. "It has become a "religion" any more."

It has become a "religion" any more.

Some people just let their minds wander, others have a dark purpose for corrupting the truth with obfuscation. Ridley's motivations are dark. The others are just led. Evolution is just a mechanical process. That's why the statement, "evolution as the end all be all answer for being here", can never be made.

An example of an evolutionary change is the disease sickle cell anemia. The DNA of the folks that have it produces a different hemoglobin, the protein that carries oxygen in the blood. Those folks have red blood cells that are thin and sickle shaped. It was a mutation that occured in Africa. The mutation was propagated throughout the region there and the Mediteranian, because the folks that have it were able to live even after being infected with the plasmodium bug of malaria.

Most folks die after being infected, because the plasmodium that lives in the blood cells causes such an increase in size and decrease in plasticity that they plug up the cappilaries. Folks with sickle cell don't, because even after infection, the thin sickle shaped blood cells fit through the capillaries and the person survives the disease. The sickle cell anemia eventually kills them, but they live much longer than the normal folks, because of the environmental presence of malaria.

428 posted on 06/08/2003 3:12:00 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: cherry_bomb88
Don't say "gases"...because then I will say "where did those gases come from???"

So, where did God come from, anyway? Fairly silly of you to introduce "First Causes", considering your religion sidesteps the issue completely.

Nope. Science doesn't spend a lot of time pondering questions with no answer. Religion spends a lot of time inventing answers that don't exist.

546 posted on 06/09/2003 11:32:15 AM PDT by Ten Megaton Solution
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