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To: spunkets
Changing the genetic code sufficiently, so that one species transforms into another is not a one step process. As for what processes do occur and the mechanics of them, they are known and a long while back I studied them. Your statement indicates you are not familiar with molecular biology and the mechanics of genetics. If you were, you would not have said that. These are not suppositions, they are fact. Also, just because something is not known and/or well understood, does detract from what is known and understood.

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Changing the genetic code sufficiently, so that one species transforms into another is not a one step process.

Over long spans of time, species retain their genetic integrity. They resist change. Transformation is not only not the rule, it has not been shown at all.

As for what processes do occur and the mechanics of them, they are known and a long while back I studied them.

I think it's fair to say that these need to be specified, and in plain language.

Your statement indicates you are not familiar with molecular biology and the mechanics of genetics. If you were, you would not have said that.

You must realize that this is an appeal to authority, an approach that I reject. Again, please state the case in plain language. The physicists do it all the time.

These are not suppositions, they are fact.

Saying so doesn't make them so. With suitable irony, I say they are suppositions.

Also, just because something is not known and/or well understood, does ["not", I presume] detract from what is known and understood.

Now I agree with this. Science is, however, about what is known and how it is known. Any conversation about what is not known falls outside the boundaries of science and circumscribes what science can legitimately claim.

366 posted on 06/08/2003 7:37:58 AM PDT by Phaedrus
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To: Phaedrus
Very well said, Phaedrus.
368 posted on 06/08/2003 7:44:39 AM PDT by cherry_bomb88 ("It's easier to fight for one's principals than to live up to them" ~Alfred Adler)
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To: Phaedrus
spunkets:"As for what processes do occur and the mechanics of them, they are known and a long while back I studied them." " I think it's fair to say that these need to be specified, and in plain language.

I don't focus on biology much. All I can say about this is that insertions and deletions in the DNA of progeny lead to new structure and function though the aciton of the new proteins created. There is also redundancy and a repair process that takes place to maintain the integraty of the DNA code. When I normally look at these things it's in reference to human immunology and in that case it's limited to gaining a general understanding. In that field there is even rearrangement of DNA that is involved in distinguishing between self and other. Most of it I have forgotten(CRS).

As far as stating it in plain language. That can't be done. As far as simplistic explainations go, some fair ones can be found on the web. As far as bio and med knowledge on the web though, I've discovered it's extremely lacking, or theirs a steep charge. Realistically the only way to get a grasp on these things is to read a good text. The amount of data and processes is fantastically huge and you'd need a solid grasp of chemistry to understand it. I can only recommend a text: Biochemistry, 2ed. by Voet and Voet from Wiley. In general Wiley and Saunders are publishers of excellent texts written by authors that understand the material very well to present it in a very well organized fashion. I'm sure my cell bio text is outdated, so...

spunkets said: Your statement indicates you are not familiar with molecular biology and the mechanics of genetics. If you were, you would not have said that.

"You must realize that this is an appeal to authority, an approach that I reject. Again, please state the case in plain language. The physicists do it all the time.

I'm not an authority, just someone that's been there. Perhaps there is someone who is an authority, but that someone could only give a summary of facts and conclusions. That summary wouldn't give the insight that's needed to understand it. It is truely a time consuming endeavor to do that, it takes many years. Just to make sure you know I'm still focusing on the processes that lead to evolution-simple genetics won't give you the whole story. You have to be able to visualize the whole, not just the DNA. Otherwise your just taking the conclusions and claims of an expert.

If it was a physics ?, I could probably give a short answer. Questions in biology though involve complex and extended interactions. They can be simple, but are lengthy in scope. If anyone is really serious about making an educated decision on whether evolution actually happened and continues to do so, they really would have to study the real mat'l, it won't be found on the web, popularized books, or in a short time. Without that effort though, it can't be dismissed out of hand.

419 posted on 06/08/2003 2:17:12 PM PDT by spunkets
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