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This document is incomplete. There are obviously a lot of issues and details I have left out, not because I don't believe they are important, but because I was trying to keep this down to a reasonable length. Any and all suggestions are welcome, even from people like my pal BChan and his fretard friends, who think they're the only people in the world. To them, I say, laugh while you can, boys, your fifteen minutes are almost up.

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Okay gang. Let him know what you think.

1 posted on 06/01/2003 6:32:06 PM PDT by B-Chan
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Some of us have NEVER doubted that this was where Dillbo and her unroyal lowness, her hideous heinous--Shrillery Antoinette de Fosterizer de Sade

are so eagerly leading the mindless American masses and the world.

Interestingly, this article indicates something else I've long suspected, both the left and the right are cast as working hard to bring about a Global Government Tyranny. Of course, the idiot liberals are convinced theirs is best. Sadly, too late, they'll realize that Tyranny is Tyranny. And the earliest eager supporters will be among the earliest to the death camps.
45 posted on 06/01/2003 8:33:12 PM PDT by Quix (HEBREW VOWEL ISSUE DISCUSSED, SCHOLARS N JUNE BCD search for TRUE HEAD TO HEAD COMPARISON CONTINUES)
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Mr. Vecchio's reply:
Monday, June 02, 2003 17:57

WHEN FRETARDS ATTACK
BChan Leads Free Republic Into A Pre-Emptive Strike Against Pax Liberalis

A Pax Liberalis Editorial By Joe Vecchio

My pal BChan posted the Pax Liberalis article on Free Republic, and within a few hours there were over fifty replies, I'm quite surprised, actually. There were a few typical fretard comments, such as I have said this a hundred times; in a pinch this article can be printed up and used as toilet paper... and Ping! Commie turd alert. Can't argue with that logic. I'm flattered that one reader assumed I was a college graduate, I'm not, just a high school diploma here, which is probably why I wasn't capable of going into more detail about my vision.

One of the more interesting posts said that, since I am in favor of a single global government, it represents a direct threat to the Constitution of the United States. and that anyone seriously advancing the idea of a global government should either be arrested for sedition (if a US citizen) or deported immediately. Another claimed I was "dangerous," both to them and to "90% of his fellow Democrats."

The main comments came from two camps: one stating that Hitler was a "socialist," the other claiming that Rand and Hitler have nothing in common. The first point is ridiculous: just because the title of the Nazi Party was the "National Socialist Party" doesn't make them socialists. For those of you who care to hear it, here is the difference, as briefly as possible: socialism is where the government controls the economy. Fascism, or as Mussolini best described it, "corporatism," is where the government is controlled by corporate interests. As for Rand, I placed her on the right because, like fascists, she was against the idea of government interfering with private industry (I see these things in purely economic terms, you see).

BChan claimed that I once told him that everybody in the United States should have their incomes taxed at 70%., which I never said. If I remember the conversation rightly, I was referring to the upper tax bracket, affecting the wealthiest people, which was at close to 90% in 1960, and which Reagan dropped to less than half of that. But I certainly don't believe now, nor have I ever believed, that everyone should be taxed at that rate. Ridiculous.

Several other comments made what I think is an interesting point about the First Amendment to the Global Constitution, which says that The state shall grant to all persons born on the planet Earth, on any colony or otherworldly province owned or politically aligned with the United Nations of Earth at the time of birth, or any vessel registered to the Earth, the rights of citizenship, and make lawful provision for all others. The state shall ensure the equality of all citizens before the law without distinction as to origin, ethnicity, religion, gender, physical disability or sexual preference. Their objection was that "the state" doesn't grant anything. Allow me to elaborate on this:

Kangas has this to say about what a liberal believes about rights: Liberals believe that group survival is more efficient than individual survival. That is why true hermits are so extremely rare. But any group effort requires group agreement, cooperation and coordination. This in turn necessitates a social contract defining each member's rights and responsibilities. In the U.S., voters have created their social contract in the form of their constitution and laws. Breaking the law constitutes breach of contract, and legitimizes the appropriate law enforcement measures.

What forms the basis of rights and property found in the social contract? Whatever the voters agree to -- which means they can be anything, as indeed history has shown. And how are their rights and property defended? Primarily by the enforcement mechanisms authorized by the contract: police, military, legislatures, courts, etc. Without such enforcement, the agreements themselves would be precarious, and nothing could stop a stronger neighbor from violating your rights or your property.

Many conservatives consider rights to be natural, inalienable, God-given and self-evident. But rights cannot be natural, like the laws of nature, because they can be broken. They cannot be inalienable, because history is filled with examples of people who never had rights in the first place, or had them taken away. They cannot be God-given, because the world's religions widely disagree on what rights are; even Judeo-Christianity allowed slavery for thousands of years, whereas today it doesn't. Rights cannot be self-evident, because slavery was viewed as natural by Aristotle and defended by the Church as such until the 19th century. The fact that rights have changed so much throughout history demonstrates that they are social constructs. Liberals believe that advances in moral philosophy and science are responsible for our improving concept of rights.

Under the Pax Liberalis, "the state" represents the social contract Kangas talks about, and "the state" is given its power by the only truly legitimate authority: the consent of those governed. The people on Free Republic view government as a separate entity supposedly unconnected to those governed. Objectivists in particular barely recognize the authority of any government, seeing any organized group as a threat to their own individual sovreignty. "Every Man For Himself!" is about as basic a way to put it.

Therefore, whenever someone mentions "the state," to them, they get visions of some illegitimate entity whose purpose is to steal both their rights and their property. The hardcore types believe the fallacy that everything government does is evil (even when it's necessary) and that everything private industry does is sacrosanct. This is, of course, pure bullshit. Private industry and public institutions are run by the same creatures: human beings. And human imperfections afflict both. Liberals (such as myself) recognize a legitimate balance between public institutions and private industry (as well as a free press), a balance that works together and acts as a counter between the different natures of both. But since most of the denizens of FR are ideologues themselves, they cannot grasp this concept. Anyone who disagrees with their world-view is either a "commie turd" or "needs to be arrested."

I didn't bring it up in the course of the Pax Lib article, but if I may be permitted to digress a bit, let me say that it is my hope that, once the human race has achieved the unity I hope it will achieve, then the next step is the colonization of space. And when that day comes, I would like to see all the remaining fretards in the world rounded up, foisted into a spacecraft, and sent to Mars or some other barely hospitable place and allowed to try their hand at objectivism first hand. Give 'em enough food for maybe a year, and the supplies to build simple shelters (safe but Spartan), and see if they can practice what they preach. I'll lay odds the last one will die only when there's nothing left of the others to eat. And as far as I'm concerned, any idiot who refuses to understand the contribution that others have made in their lives (apart from the military), deserves what they get.

I read through all of their comments and there really wasn't even an attempt at an intelligent discussion of the matter, unless you count the guy who threw in a few multisylabbic words in a vain attempt to deceive us into thinking he knows something. Snide comments, personal attacks launched towards me and the web site, etc. etc. were the prevailing attitude.

The compassionate part of me thinks it's sad that such an important issue can't be discussed rationally, but then I remember that these are not rational people. Notice how often they use the term "socialist" when there's nothing in my article that promotes any such thing. Of course to them, being as self-centered as they are, any group as large as a women's bridge club constitutes a form of socialism. I also remember that I didn't post this on their site to begin with, that was done by BChan in a vain and rather childish attempt to make me look bad. He claims that "he used to feel as I do now but he learned better." I don't know what he believed in the past, but it's obvious he's turned into a cynical, crabby old man with some rather strange and unworkable worldviews of his own (a monarchist? Isn't that what we created this country to get away from in the first place?).

And I'm going to repeat what I said before: their fifteen minutes are almost up. The clock is ticking, and the kids are waiting in the alley. One way or another, this thing is going to get settled, and we'll see what direction the world

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59 posted on 06/03/2003 12:50:31 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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