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The (NY) Times tumbles down
National Post ^ | 5/31/03 | Matt Welch

Posted on 05/31/2003 11:11:56 PM PDT by LdSentinal

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To: Clemenza
OK, anyone know the newspaper situation in Connecticut?

Everyone in Western CT - that is, the outer NYC suburbs - reads the Post, Times and Daily News like the rest of us, except they usually take their diddly local town paper too, most of which are owned by chains large or small, and suck in the same ways local papers do everywhere else, including having overwhelmingly liberal staffs and editorial pages. Generally they'll read the local paper on the train into the City, toss it in the giant recycling bins on each track inside Grand Central (a great place to get free papers, by the way!), and grab one or more of the NYC papers at a newsstand or have it waiting for them at work.

A lot of people buy the Post as a second paper in the afternoon to read on the train home. I always have thought that the stupidest move Murdoch ever made with the Post was taking it off a 24-hour production schedule. (It used to literally publish edition after edition all day and night, so whichever copy you bought had news never more than a few hours old.) At the very least, he ought to bring back an special afternoon edition to just sell around Grand Central, Penn Station, etc.

41 posted on 06/01/2003 9:29:11 AM PDT by Timesink
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To: Labyrinthos
No kidding.

Van Atter packing OJ's blood all over the crime scene...

I am not sure I could have convicted him either.

42 posted on 06/01/2003 9:29:58 AM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: LdSentinal
Bump for later
43 posted on 06/01/2003 9:33:59 AM PDT by Richard Kimball
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To: Jhoffa_
We all know he did it, but our Constitution still requires proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Too bad someone forgot to tell that to Marcia Clark.
44 posted on 06/01/2003 9:35:52 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: LdSentinal
The American people do not need the New York Times to re-establish it's credibility. We need an honest press that is free of bias and will report the truth. I beleive that is true free speech.
45 posted on 06/01/2003 9:55:22 AM PDT by freekitty (W)
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To: LdSentinal
The entire country has laughed at the weight the "profession" gave to the NYT. We've almost rolled on the floor laughing as the media across the country obediently fell in line with whatever the NYT said. That's one of the reasons the profession of journalism has fallen into such disregard by the public.

Basically, the media has behaved much like the french, insulting their best customers and then wondering why their customers have looked elsewhere.

46 posted on 06/01/2003 10:07:00 AM PDT by McGavin999
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To: LdSentinal
Incredible!
47 posted on 06/01/2003 10:10:00 AM PDT by SkyPilot ("Don't believe everything you read in the newspapers." ----- Jayson Blair)
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To: qam1
This line mystified me too. I guess one of those right wing dailies is the newly minted Sun. It has been around long enogh to have had any impact. Very few people even know it exists. I live in Westchester County and the only place I can get it is at a local Mobil station.
48 posted on 06/01/2003 10:21:13 AM PDT by appeal2
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To: qam1; Clemenza
Clemenza: People in Westchester tend to read the Times and the Post.

And the multiple Westchester editions of The Journal News, a typically sh---y Gannett rag.

qam1: Actually I used to like Newsday a long time ago (10 to 15 years ago). The Daily News you can read in about 5 mins and the Times was always the Liberal rag it still is today and back then the Post was the daily version of the National Enquirer. Newsday used to be the only paper that had any substance. Unfortunately they tried to break into the NYC market and for some reason they thought they had to go ultra left and they hired (stole) many of the most Liberal "Journalist" from the Daily News and other papers. It was a big failure of course and they had to reduce their ciculation back to just Long Island (and Queens). It was really funny because a lefty journalist goal of course to be in Manhattan and now all these elites were stuck in the middle of nowhere(to them)on Long Island. Apparently Newsday still hasn't changed and is a left as ever.

Ironically, New York Newsday was not a financial failure, at least not by the time it was closed down. It was merely "insufficently profitable" in the eyes of a new Times Mirrpr corporate executive from the slash-and-burn school of business administration. He closed it and fired thousands throughout the company purely to jack up the stock price (and it worked, too). Karma eventually got him back, though, as you can read about in this article. (Of course, he walked away with a multi-million-dollar severance.)

Anyway, as I remember it, Newsday - and New York Newsday - were both always liberal going back pretty much forever. They were, and are, the worst kind of liberals, too - suit-and-tie paleoliberals who spend their days solemnly navel-gazing about the fate of the Little People, those who would never in a million years actually pick up a copy of Newsday themselves unless they desperately needed a copy of the help wanted ads. In short, they're dull, dry as dirt. The editorials are dull. The news writing is dull. The newspaper's design is dull (not many tabloids intentionally try to look like compressed broadsheets, but Newsday does).

Basically, New York Newsday never became a big success for the same reasons liberal talk radio is unsuccessful: There's no call for a "serious liberal paper" in a city that already had two liberal papers (the Times and Daily News), where almost all the TV and radio stations are "mainstream" liberal, etc; and because they're liberal, they're simply not enjoyable. Reading Newsday always seems like a chore. The only reason they make money like crazy on Long Island is because they're a monopoly paper out there, and it's almost impossible for a newspaper in a monopoly market to not rake in the dough, regardless of how good or bad it is. (This is why Gannett can buy a local paper, fire 75% of the staff, reduce the newshole by more than half, and leave a crappy shell where the newspaper used to be, and double or triple the paper's profits even while pissing off 90% of its readership: because the readers have nowhere else to go.)

49 posted on 06/01/2003 10:37:35 AM PDT by Timesink
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To: duckworth; Liz
I was shocked that it does not have a comics section.

It does, the NYT mispelled it long ago Editorials and no one caught the error.

50 posted on 06/01/2003 12:21:33 PM PDT by razorback-bert
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To: razorback-bert
I was shocked that it does not have a comics section. ........It does, the NYT mispelled it long ago Editorials and no one caught the error.

....heheh.....great zinger, bert......

The New Yorker's Hendrik Hertzberg wrote a week after the Paper of Record published a 14,000-word exposé detailing Blair's history of barefaced lying. "It is scarcely an exaggeration to say that the Times defines public reality." .......This will certainly come as news to the "public," 99% of which doesn't read the paper.

I, personally, would not mind if the Times reinvents itself....into a supermarket tabloid with obits, puzzles (they have great puzzles) and restaurant reviews. OK maybe a few comics, too....like Frank Rich, Paul Krugman, and The Dowder.......LOL.

51 posted on 06/01/2003 1:58:44 PM PDT by Liz
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To: razorback-bert; duckworth
Besides not having comics, it was only recently that the Times started carrying editorial cartoons.
52 posted on 06/01/2003 2:00:31 PM PDT by Liz
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To: Clemenza; Liz
When I delivered newspapers (60's) in Scarsdale, there were 14 morning NY dailys, 80% of my customers took the Times and the Daily News.

I liked the Herald Tribune myself.
53 posted on 06/01/2003 2:56:18 PM PDT by razorback-bert
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To: Timesink
the giant recycling bins on each track inside Grand Central (a great place to get free papers, by the way!)

One of the great fringe benefits of working in Grand Central Station. That and having the Oyster Bar in the basement (at least the chowder is affordable!).

54 posted on 06/01/2003 9:51:21 PM PDT by Clemenza (East side, West side, all around the town. Tripping the light fantastic on the sidewalks of New York)
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To: Timesink
The International Herald Tribune is owned by the NYT and is resource of record in English for many overseas readers.
55 posted on 06/05/2003 8:24:35 AM PDT by shrinkermd
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