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Blair: I have secret proof of weapons
The Observer (U.K.) ^ | 06/01/03 | Gaby Hinsliff, Nick Paton Walsh, and Peter Beaumont

Posted on 05/31/2003 4:38:05 PM PDT by Pokey78

Prime Minister Tony Blair last night insisted he had secret proof that weapons of mass destruction will be found in Iraq in his strongest signal yet that coalition forces believe they may have begun to uncover leads to Iraq's alleged deadly arms cache.

Stung by claims that the Government exaggerated the threat from Saddam, Blair said he was waiting to publish a 'complete picture' of both intelligence gained before the war and 'what we've actually found'.

Asked if he knew things he could not yet reveal, he said: 'I certainly do know some of the stuff that has been already accumulated as a result of interviews and others... which is not yet public, but what we are going to do is assemble that evidence and present it properly.'

His words, in an interview with Sky TV, came as Downing Street moved to halt damaging leaks over its handling of the evidence by heaping praise on the intelligence services. 'The Prime Minister hugely values the work of the intelligence agencies,' his spokesman said in St Petersburg, where heads of state were celebrating the Russian city's tercententary, yesterday.

The pointed comment followed a week of furious rows over whether the intelligence dossier on Iraq published by the Government last September was 'sexed up' to convince a sceptical public that they were in danger from Saddam.

It will fuel speculation that private assurances have been given to the intelligence community that they will not be left to carry the can over the failure to find WMD after a week of briefing against senior Blair officials by intelligence officials over the alleged ramping up of intelligence.

Labour backbenchers, increasingly convinced they were misled, are unlikely to be impressed by Blair's argument that they must trust in proof they cannot see. According to intelligence sources the new leads have been provided by Iraqi scientists and a member of the State Security Organisation who are currently being debriefed by MI6 and the CIA. This follows a week in which Government and intelligence sources appear to have changed their story on the likelihood of finding WMD on an almost daily basis.

One source claimed mid-week that British intelligence suggested Saddam had destroyed his WMD even before UN inspectors visited Iraq, a version of events that had changed by yesterday morning to the claim that chemical weapons may actually have been deployed in the field and then destroyed as American troops advanced.

Yesterday the US announced that another 1,400 experts will join the hunt for banned weapons - a signal that Washington has accepted the political significance of the issue.

In Britain it is thought that Ministers want eventually to publish a checklist of claims made before the war alongside subsequent discoveries which they believe vindicate the warnings. So far the only publicly announced discovery has been that of two trailers thought to have been part of a mobile laboratory system.

Blair said in his interview that claims that the existence of WMD was 'a great big fib got out by the security services' would be proved wrong. He said he had 'absolutely no knowledge' of an alleged meeting between the Foreign Secretary, Jack Straw and his US counterpart Colin Powell, in a New York hotel to discuss concerns over whether the evidence on WMD would be strong enough. Leaked transcripts suggested Straw had warned the issue could 'explode in our faces'.

The Foreign Office insisted the two men had not met on the date given in February.

Downing Street has been hampered in its argument by repeated suggestions from the Bush administration that WMD may never be found. Paul Wolfowitz, deputy to the US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, suggested last week that WMD were a bureaucratic pretext to start a war.

Blair told Sky that WMD were the basis in law for taking military action - but 'that's not the same as saying it's a bureaucratic pretext'.

The Prime Minister was due to leave Russia early this morning for the G8 summit in Evian, France, which is expected to agree new measures to stop WMD falling into the hands of terrorists.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iraq; iraqifreedom; proof; tonyblair; uk; wmd
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To: LS
You're weird feeling is probably not as weird as you think.
61 posted on 06/01/2003 8:09:49 AM PDT by b4its2late ("Do, or do not. There is no 'try'." - Yoda ('The Empire Strikes Back'))
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To: hgro; Pokey78
"Paul Wolfowitz, deputy to the US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, suggested last week that WMD were a bureaucratic pretext to start a war." ~ Pokey78

"This statement attributed to Wolfowitz is untrue and has been continually repeated over the last two days. The DOD has a tape of the interview and a transcript is available on the DOD website." ~ hgro

To set the record straight here's the Associated Press "Boob-bait for the bubbas" spin:

"Wolfowitz says Saudi troop withdrawal was 'huge' reason for war with Iraq"

The *complete* Wolfowitz quote from the transcript:

Q: Was that one of the arguments that was raised early on by you and others that Iraq actually does connect, not to connect the dots too much, but the relationship between Saudi Arabia, our troops being there, and bin Laden's rage about that, which he's built on so many years, also connects the World Trade Center attacks, that there's a logic of motive or something like that? Or does that read too much into --

Wolfowitz: No, I think it happens to be correct. The truth is that for reasons that have a lot to do with the U.S. government bureaucracy we settled on the one issue that everyone could agree on which was weapons of mass destruction as the core reason, but -- hold on one second --

(Pause)

Kellems: Sam there may be some value in clarity on the point that it may take years to get post-Saddam Iraq right. It can be easily misconstrued, especially when it comes to --

Wolfowitz: -- there have always been three fundamental concerns. One is weapons of mass destruction, the second is support for terrorism, the third is the criminal treatment of the Iraqi people. Actually I guess you could say there's a fourth overriding one which is the connection between the first two. Sorry, hold on again." ...

So another media attempt to spin the truth is exposed again.
62 posted on 06/01/2003 8:15:40 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Marxist DemocRATS, Nader-Greens, and Religious Zealots = a clear and present danger to our Freedoms.)
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To: LS
I hope that is what is happening.
63 posted on 06/01/2003 10:34:24 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: b4its2late
Putting a little pressure on the weasels b4 coming clean....

Well of course that's what they are doing or at least should be doing.

Think about it. If you were interviewing high ranking Iraqi leaders and scientists one on one over an extended period and expected to get new high level "recruits" into this process would you want to let on to the new folks what you knew to be true and what you knew to be the storyline?

Given the large number of interviews that must have taken place by now the CIA and the military probably have a good idea where the truth lies, who is telling the truth and who is not. I wouldn't divulge any of this until I knew I had milked the system for all it is worth.

For example: assume that filtering the lies from the truth leads you to believe that at least some of the WMDs managed to get into terrorist hands. Would you tell the world before you had gathered all the intelligence you could to help you locate them? I don't think so.

OTOH once you find a real cache of the real stuff or verifiable proof that at least some were destroyed late in the game (a likelihood in my opinion) then that info is very likely to be released, much to the embarrassment of the libs currently attacking the Administration.

A little birdy told me this story: Says Carl Rove to W: "Good news closer to the election is good for our side and bad for the Dems. Time is on our side. Let the libs dig themselves in a little deeper and we will lay it all out for the American people and the world when the time is just right."

My recommendation: Patience.

64 posted on 06/01/2003 10:53:31 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: Pokey78
Maybe that's why Blair was in Iraq this past week, he was planting the "secret stuff."
65 posted on 06/01/2003 10:59:28 AM PDT by Buckeroo
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To: Matchett-PI
The truth is that for reasons that have a lot to do with the U.S. government bureaucracy

Translation: It's those idiots in the State Department and their leader who forced us into this stupid "bet it all on the WMDs" strategy.

66 posted on 06/01/2003 11:12:48 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Obviously, I do too, but it is amazing that the libs and the press have spun this now that we MUST "produce" the WMDs or Bush is a liar, rather than SINCE we could not be sure Saddam had not destroyed them, and SINCE he would not cooperate, and SINCE he would not abide by 1441, we were going to enforce it.

A cop on the street does not need to pull over a car to enforce the law---his presence causes people to slow down. Likewise, whether Saddam was making these or not, our presence now ensures that he won't . . . ever!

67 posted on 06/01/2003 11:34:56 AM PDT by LS
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To: Pokey78
Tony Blair last night insisted he had secret proof

Secret proofs are the best!

68 posted on 06/01/2003 2:27:47 PM PDT by A. Pole
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To: LS
I don't know why they would do this, except, possibly, to let the Dems/libs "step in it" again and let the "Where's the weapons of mass destruction?" chant get full voice before springing a boatload of evidence on these people.

Yes, definitely it must be a part of the plan to surprise Democrats.

69 posted on 06/01/2003 2:29:52 PM PDT by A. Pole
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To: Moonman62
I really doubt that a Leftist like Tony Blair would go along with such a plan, unless he thinks it's worth his own political gain.

"Politicians lie to journalists and then believe those lies when they see them in print."

70 posted on 06/01/2003 2:34:17 PM PDT by A. Pole
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To: Prodigal Son
"I would reckon, if they do know there's proof, Dubya is just waiting to see if he can get any of his potential presidential opponents to start harping about it. If one starts harping and the press gives him mileage, the other candidates are bound to smell the blood and enter the feeding frenzy- hoping to not get left out of the action. Then Dubya shows his cards and wham bam thank you ma'am- all of 'em look like total jackasses."

In less gentile circles, this is known as "bait and switch." I believe there is a better than even shot the Prez and Tony have the goods in hand and are waiting for the opportune moment to spring the trap.

Never play poker with a cowboy from Midland, TX!

71 posted on 06/01/2003 2:41:55 PM PDT by Lightnin
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To: Pokey78
Let's just hope that he's not "crying wolf."
72 posted on 06/01/2003 6:20:34 PM PDT by mrb1960
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To: PianoMan
To summarize from the link what Wolfowitz really said:

The truth is that for reasons that have a lot to do with the U.S. government bureaucracy we settled on the one issue that everyone could agree on which was weapons of mass destruction as the core reason, but . . . there have always been three fundamental concerns. One is weapons of mass destruction, the second is support for terrorism, the third is the criminal treatment of the Iraqi people.

Actually I guess you could say there's a fourth overriding one which is the connection between the first two. . . . The third one by itself, as I think I said earlier, is a reason to help the Iraqis but it's not a reason to put American kids' lives at risk, certainly not on the scale we did it. That second issue about links to terrorism is the one about which there's the most disagreement within the bureaucracy, even though I think everyone agrees that we killed 100 or so of an al Qaeda group in northern Iraq in this recent go-around, that we've arrested that al Qaeda guy in Baghdad who was connected to this guy Zarqawi whom Powell spoke about in his U.N. presentation.

In short, Wolfowitz made the perfectly sensible observation that more than just WMD was of concern, but that among several serious reasons for war, WMD was the issue about which there was widest domestic (and international) agreement.

73 posted on 06/01/2003 7:02:33 PM PDT by Optimist (I think I'm beginning to see a pattern here)
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To: LS
"I have had the weirdest sense for a couple of weeks now that in fact we are FINDING THIS STUFF, BUT CONCEALING THE FACT THAT WE HAVE FOUND IT. I don't know why they would do this, except, possibly, to let the Dems/libs "step in it" again and let the "Where's the weapons of mass destruction?" chant get full voice before springing a boatload of evidence on these people."

I have had the same feeling since I first heard that the peaceniks were going to accuse the administration of planting evidence when it was announced that evidence of WMD had been found.
74 posted on 06/01/2003 7:34:12 PM PDT by mjaneangels@aolcom
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To: Lightnin
You got that right, my friend. When he says "I'll see that bet and raise you...." Fold fast.
75 posted on 06/02/2003 9:37:53 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (RATS will use any means to denigrate George Bush's Victory.)
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To: FreeReign
Everybody knew that Nixon had a plan to win the Vietnam War. It was the specifics of the plan that was secret.

If you have studied the NVA "take" on Linebacker II and the "Christmas bombing" you get the sense that the NVA have conceded that the bombing nearly lost them the strategic war.

Nixon's secret strategy was to fight to win. This is one lesson that Republican presidents have applied repeatedly.

76 posted on 06/02/2003 7:05:34 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: Mike Darancette
I guess Bush will be able to blame Blair if no WMD are found.

Both the U.N. AND SH have stated the existence of WMD in Iraq .......

77 posted on 06/02/2003 7:07:52 PM PDT by cinFLA
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To: LS
I think what it means is that do not have a smoking gun, but they do have tons of circumstantial evidence. They're in the midst of compiling this evidence in a single report which they hope will silence the critics by its size and depth of detail - but it will still be circumstantial.
78 posted on 06/02/2003 7:42:20 PM PDT by PMCarey
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