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Creeping Tyranny (My two favorite words: "Sustainable Development")
WorldNetDaily ^ | May 31, 2003 | Henry Lamb

Posted on 05/31/2003 1:46:05 PM PDT by sauropod

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Sic Semper Tyrannus. Caveat Emptor.

Rectitudine Sto. Sauropod

1 posted on 05/31/2003 1:46:06 PM PDT by sauropod
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To: hellinahandcart; countrydummy; farmfriend; redrock; KLT; Carry_Okie; marsh2; madfly; backhoe; ...
Here in all its' glory is the problem with "sustainable development."
2 posted on 05/31/2003 1:49:23 PM PDT by sauropod (Drill ANWR! Lay Pipe! Keep a Caribou Warm!)
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To: sauropod
Jesse Jackson Jr., D-Ill., has introduced a constitutional amendment to guarantee all citizens "the right to a ... sustainable environment."

18th Century North America was a sustainable environment, however it relied on slavery.

The term "Sustainable Development" is an oxymoron.

Another sustainable society was England during the time of William the Bastard to the rise of the Tudors.

3 posted on 05/31/2003 2:12:12 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Soddom has left the bunker.)
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To: sauropod
Podman sooner or later you're going to be faced with the decision, can I support the tyrant and fight tyranny?

BTW, the troops are tired and want to come home, I support them.

You do know that the NWO is just another name for global domination by US don't you?

U.S. Army Officer Commissioning Oath

"I, (state your name), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of Second Lieutenant, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of The United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter. So help me God. "

I took the long way around but sometimes those enemies might even be in DC.

Oh well, a bump is a bump is a bump!

4 posted on 05/31/2003 2:25:14 PM PDT by Gore_ War_ Vet (Invading Iraq and taking over the world is NOT conservative.)
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To: sauropod
During a discussion about poverty, development, U.S. foreign aid and such, a liberal explained the concept of "sustainable development" to me. She did this in the context of denouncing plans of greedy capitalists to bring "corporate agribusiness" to Africa. Taking advantage of her condescension, I played dumb and furrowed my brow in confusion. Then I gave her the "light bulb" look and said, "Oh, you mean 'sustainable poverty'!"

Also, Ronald Bailey of Reason Magazine had some terrific reports from last year's U.N. sponsored "World Summit on Sustainable Development". You can either click on the WSSD Keyword, or search on exact phrase Ronald Bailey Live from WSSD. (In the later case you'll need to also select "Archive" rather than "Quick" search.) There were also good articles about the WSSD from Tech Central Online that I posted.

I'll post some specific links here later when I have time.

5 posted on 05/31/2003 2:37:50 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: Stultis
What liberals mean by "sustainable development" is the government limiting people's opportunities in order to preserve some semblance of aesthetic harmony. Form is more important than substance. As long as it looks good, liberals could care less what the results of their handiwork might be.
6 posted on 05/31/2003 2:42:24 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: sauropod
O.K., here's a good urn (form before the WSSD) were Bailey explains that it is growth, and even increasing (technologically driven) consumption, that is truly sustainable:

The End Is Nigh, Again

7 posted on 05/31/2003 2:47:38 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: sauropod
A related concept:

REASON * April 1999

Precautionary Tale
The latest environmentalist concept--the Precautionary Principle--seeks to stop innovation before it happens. Very bad idea.

By Ronald Bailey

8 posted on 05/31/2003 3:10:00 PM PDT by Stultis
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Yup. There's no such thing as absolute safety in life and applying the precautionary principle literally would mean we should all live in plastic bubbles. For the Democrats in California, the precautionary principle is invoked to prevent you from using your good judgment in using a cell phone in your car. The government knows best.
9 posted on 05/31/2003 3:12:47 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Gore_ War_ Vet
We agree. Welcome home.
10 posted on 05/31/2003 3:41:35 PM PDT by sauropod (Drill ANWR! Lay Pipe! Keep a Caribou Warm!)
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To: Stultis
I recall the WSSD quite well. It originally was billed as Rio+10.

I have on tape (somewhere) a Bill Moyers special from Jo'burg where some Indian delegate complained mightily about the flush toilet (if memory serves).

11 posted on 05/31/2003 3:44:55 PM PDT by sauropod (Drill ANWR! Lay Pipe! Keep a Caribou Warm!)
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To: sauropod
It's still amazing to me that bright folks aplenty are either in denial or gross ignorance about the

RAPID 'CREEP' of Global Government Tyranny [GGT or G2T?].

AH WELLLLLLLLL, IT'S NOT FOR LACK OF SOME WARNING--ONE EVEN 2,000 YEARS OLD.
12 posted on 05/31/2003 4:05:08 PM PDT by Quix (HEBREW VOWEL ISSUE DISCUSSED, SCHOLARS N JUNE BCD search for TRUE HEAD TO HEAD COMPARISON CONTINUES)
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To: sauropod
I'm printing this out for someone. Not that it's likely to do any good...
13 posted on 05/31/2003 4:17:47 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: sauropod
I recall the WSSD quite well. It originally was billed as Rio+10.

It turned out to be a bit of a mistake to hold it in South Africa, where the little brown people were able to express their own opinion about what the elitist lefties were planning for them:

"Profit Beats Poverty" (Ronald Bailey Live from WSSD)

Johannesburg—"Profit Beats Poverty," "Say No to Eco-Imperialism," "Free Trade Is Fair Trade," and "People or Pandas?" were just a few of the placards carried by 300 or so protesters at the Sandton Convention Center, where delegates from 190 countries are meeting at the World Summit on Sustainable Development (WSSD)...

The protesters included farmers from India who had forced their government to let them grow genetically improved pest-resistant cotton, members of the Farmers Association of Africa, and local informal peddlers who are members of the Union of Gauteng Street Hawkers. The demonstrators delivered a memorandum to a representative of the President of the Summit, demanding, among other things, that poor farmers and traders be given the freedom to buy or sell their goods to whomever they wish, freedom to grow any crop of their choice and freedom of access to the best available technologies. They also demanded that the United States, Japan and the European Union open their markets to goods produced in poor developing countries.

Protester Barun Mitra from the Liberty Institute in New Delhi announced a special "Bullshit Award" for the many environmentalist non-governmental organizations (NGOs) which he claimed "are trying to sustain poverty." Winners included Greenpeace International and the Third World Network—with a special mention of India's "own divinity of poverty," Vandana Shiva, the strident eco-activist who once opposed American food aid to 10 million Indians left homeless after a typhoon because the food contained genetically improved corn and soybeans. The award consisted of a wooden placard displaying nicely laminated heaps of dung.


14 posted on 05/31/2003 5:09:08 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: sauropod
Henry Lamb explains it well again!
15 posted on 05/31/2003 9:39:38 PM PDT by Kay Ludlow
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To: Kay Ludlow; attagirl
Good to see ya around!
16 posted on 06/01/2003 4:07:38 AM PDT by sauropod (Drill ANWR! Lay Pipe! Keep a Caribou Warm!)
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To: Huber
*ping*
17 posted on 06/01/2003 5:25:50 AM PDT by TaxRelief
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To: sauropod
I have to be honest. I am getting to the point where I don't want to stand in the way of these pukes. It is better that the battlefield is met sooner than later.
18 posted on 06/01/2003 5:52:15 AM PDT by Movemout
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To: sauropod
... to meet the needs of the present without compromising the ability of future generations to meet their own needs.

I see two huge problems here. First, we can't predict next winter's weather but we're supposed to be able to divine the needs of future generations well enough to make today's decisions? Were that the case, humans of the 16th century (had they the ability) would have rid the earth of oil as it was a nuisance to agrarian life.

This is typical collectivist rhetoric. They continually claim to speak for others. First, they spoke for the peasant against the monarch. That was all well and good until the peasants figured out the cure was worse than the disease. Their search for new constituents led them to speak for "the children," "the environment," "endangered species," anything that could not later embarrass them as had the peasants. Now they have latched on to "future generations," the perfect constituency. Always voiceless. Immune from the most potent attack against environmentalists: that they hate humans. If they can somehow get sustainable development some traction, communism will flower anew.

The second problem is the solution those advancing sustainable development propose. Socialism has proven time and again an ability to create more needs than it fills. Future generations of a socialists world will certainly face more needs that future world is unable to satisfy than will future generations of a capitalist world. That means those alive today must be even more constrained in anticipation of those greater needs of future generations.

What constraints did Malthus favor as he contemplated mass starvation in a world whose population exceeded it's ability to produce food. Of course, Malthus didn't forsee the impending "green revolution" in agriculture and that all his handwringing would be for naught.

One thing is certain. Future generations won't be solving their problems with today's knowledge base.

19 posted on 06/01/2003 6:37:06 AM PDT by laredo44
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To: sauropod; Stultis
The enlightened process avoids the unruly public, and focuses on "stakeholders" to participate in the decision process. The initiators of the proposal decide who the stakeholders are, and choose those who are inclined to support the particular proposal to serve on some kind of "visioning" or "stakeholder" council.
20 posted on 06/01/2003 6:43:12 AM PDT by metesky (My retirement fund is holding steady @ $.05 a can)
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