[boris]

"I know it is appealing to bestow upon time some more exotic charateristics but the events and forces can have those, while time is just our necessary symbol applied to observing the progression of things."

Define "progression" without invoking time.

--Boris

[Mind-numbed Robot]

Define "progression" without invoking time.

Now you are trying to take all the fun out of it. :-)

Perhaps time is the crux of the chicken or egg conflict. I am suggesting, no matter how poorly, that time is a term applied to observations of sequenced events as opposed to something in and of itself. Yeah, I know, describe sequenced without invoking time. I suppose one could say "i saw this and then I saw that." without invoking time although it would definitely infer time.

Hey, if I were smarter I wouldn't be in this conversation.