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To: tdadams
Really??? That's a pretty bold statement. Pretty untrue also. Even the medical establishment would disagree.

It is a bold statement, and you're right, I should never say "everyone." However, the medical establishment would not disagree. The closest the APA has done is to say that if the person has a maladaptation, and doesn't desire to change, then the correct response is to help them get used to being maladapted. The APA has never demonstrated a balief that homoerotic attraction was not a maladaption.

They have just decided not to care.

I firmly believe that most people who make the "downfall of civilization" claim, as I do, don't think homoerotic attraction or the acceptance thereof is the root cause. The root cause is the same root cause we are suffering from in "western civilization" today, the ascendency of nhilism. If you notice, you have not really countered any of my arguments. You've merely put forth the concept that people ought to be able to do whatever they want to do. That's the root cause, that only "me" matters.

This is the libertarian fallacy, and it will doom our culture. It is probably already too late to turn the tide, but we must still try while we may.

Shalom.

145 posted on 06/02/2003 10:21:17 AM PDT by ArGee (I did not come through fire and death to bandy crooked words with a serving-man... - Gandalf)
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To: ArGee
The closest the APA has done is to say that if the person has a maladaptation, and doesn't desire to change, then the correct response is to help them get used to being maladapted.

Paraphrasing in your own words of course.

You've merely put forth the concept that people ought to be able to do whatever they want to do. That's the root cause, that only "me" matters.

Not absolutely. I think this may be where you misunderstand libertarianism and oppose its tenets. Libertarians expect a maximum amount of freedom from government, but not at the cost of injuring others. Libertarians also believe along with one's actions comes a proportionate amount of personal responsibility (according to theory anyway). No doubt someone will allude to the pot-smoking burnout and hold that up as a typical libertarian. The truth is far from it.

147 posted on 06/02/2003 10:43:56 AM PDT by tdadams
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