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To: NP-INCOMPLETE
1240 AD Mongol Invasion of Novogrod- Lost Mongels proceeded to defeat the state of Novogrod, thus consolidating Western Russia along with the eastern portion into the Kahnate of the Golden Horde. About 40% of entire population of European Russia killed due to Mongol invasions.

Not correct, Novograd never fell to Mongols, swamps melted and horde turned south to Kiev. After Catholics betray Orthodox by sending first Lithuanians (defeated on Nevo river) then Tuetonics, Saint Prince Alexander Nevski allied with Mongols against Catholics.

PS: missed the whole Russian Kieven wars against Kazars (won) against Constintinople (won) against various barbaric nomads (upto Mongols) won.

29 posted on 05/29/2003 9:55:23 AM PDT by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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To: RussianConservative
Not correct, Novograd never fell to Mongols

Novograd was not physically destroyed, but it did pay tribute for to the mongols for the next 200 years after the war. So I coun't that as a loss

44 posted on 05/29/2003 12:12:59 PM PDT by NP-INCOMPLETE
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To: RussianConservative
Program on the History Channel the other night stated that Novogrod was destroyed by the Huns. Don't remember which invasion it was but right before Muscovy rose to dominance.
48 posted on 05/29/2003 12:16:33 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (RATS will use any means to denigrate George Bush's Victory.)
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To: RussianConservative
Welcome aboard.

You seem to be pretty familiar with the Khazars?

What is your view on the question of how many of them had converted to Judaism?

I've always found that to be a really interesting little known facet of history and one that sure sparks debate. Most scholars agree that at a minimum the gentry converted and contributed to arguable degrees to the Ashkhenazim identity.
73 posted on 05/29/2003 12:39:52 PM PDT by wardaddy
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