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The Times also has a columnist problem
NY Daily News ^ | May 28, 2003 | Zev Chafets

Posted on 05/28/2003 9:24:40 AM PDT by RippleFire

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To: Right Wing Professor
Bird Dog

That won't help either. Have you seen Doonesbury lately ?
41 posted on 05/28/2003 12:28:13 PM PDT by Farnham (In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not.)
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To: RippleFire
Posted by mcenedo to Fawnn On News/Activism 05/24/2003 3:39 PM EDT #34 of 52

I copied yout idea and forwarded a note to the Slime re: Miss Dowd.

I'll have to bookmark retrace@nytimes.com.

Dowd's lies are being sent to retrace@nytimes.com on a regular basis.

Her latest column carries no indication of past omissions but just so happens to contain the complete Bush quote.

43 posted on 05/28/2003 1:15:56 PM PDT by mcenedo
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To: RippleFire
bttt for later
44 posted on 05/28/2003 1:17:47 PM PDT by citizen (Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!)
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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA
Thank goodness NYT isn't part of WashCompost/LASlimes/Newsreek; we can print the original article right here. :-)
45 posted on 05/28/2003 1:20:57 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; PeoplesRep_of_LA
Anyone have the original posting of the Bush misquote-containing column, or was the column so repulsive that nobody bothered to post it?
46 posted on 05/28/2003 1:23:21 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (There be no shelter here; the front line is everywhere!)
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To: RippleFire
They did the same thing to Newt with the "wither on the vine" thing a few years back.
47 posted on 05/28/2003 1:29:21 PM PDT by Consort
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; Paul Ross; dirtboy; Right Wing Professor; hchutch; Poohbah
Anyone have the original posting of the Bush misquote-containing column, or was the column so repulsive that nobody bothered to post it?

Can't say I know how to find the infamous ...quote, anyone else?

48 posted on 05/28/2003 2:32:06 PM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (Press Secret; Of 2 million Shiite pilgrims, only 3000 chanted anti Americanisms--source-Islamonline!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; Pokey78
Speaking of Dowd, you HAVE to read this thread about her; http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/909236/posts
49 posted on 05/28/2003 2:36:06 PM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (Press Secret; Of 2 million Shiite pilgrims, only 3000 chanted anti Americanisms--source-Islamonline!)
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To: Farnham
Have you seen Doonesbury lately

I gave it up a couple of years ago. It used to be liberal but funny. Now it's just liberal.

50 posted on 05/28/2003 2:36:25 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: zip
I thought it said "The Times also has a communist problem"

LOL, that's how I read it too.

51 posted on 05/28/2003 2:38:53 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA
It was in the original article on thei thread:

Here's what she wrote:

"'Al Qaeda is on the run,' President Bush said last week. 'That group of terrorists who attacked our country is slowly but surely being decimated ... they're not a problem anymore.'"

Here's what Bush actually said:

"Al Qaeda is on the run. That group of terrorists who attacked our country is slowly but surely being decimated. Right now, about half of all the top Al Qaeda operatives are either jailed or dead. In either case, they're not a problem anymore."

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The way she used the dots CLEARLY changed the meaning of the sentence.
52 posted on 05/28/2003 2:44:50 PM PDT by hchutch (America came, America saw, America liberated; as for those who hate us, Oderint dum Metuant)
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To: big ern; maica; Travis McGee
It seems this fellow made up stories to cover up Stalin's crimes and he earned a Pulitzer for his work for the Times. Maybe history needs to be corrected. The truth, they say, will set you free.

Maybe you'll get an auto-reply.

53 posted on 05/28/2003 2:57:10 PM PDT by Freee-dame
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To: hchutch
It was in the original article on thei thread:

Well yeah, I just meant the original Times URL link as proof that the ...has been removed, or changed.

It sounds like there was some confusion, she restated this in a different op-Ed and quoted it correctly, but in the past she hadn't. I don't know which one in the past they are referring to, and I can't bring myself to read through all her collumns if I don't have to.

54 posted on 05/28/2003 3:01:46 PM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (Press Secret; Of 2 million Shiite pilgrims, only 3000 chanted anti Americanisms--source-Islamonline!)
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To: hchutch
It could have been worse though.

(Working with the same quote)

"Al Qaeda ... run... our country...(R)ight now. "

55 posted on 05/28/2003 3:07:53 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Southack
Editorials which are permitted to run without countervening views being permitted to be printed alongside them

Well, that's normally the way editorials run. The only paper that routinely runs a rebuttal alongside the editorial is McPaper (USA Today), which runs a counterpoint to the (usually liberal) eds. it runs on the front page. That's probably because running a front-page editorial is unusual in US journalism (I mean an overt, admitted, editorial, not a puff-piece on a favourite Democrat or a slam on the NRA or something).

The only other paper I ever read with Page 1 Editorials was Pravda -- when it was the organ of State Communism.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

56 posted on 05/28/2003 3:46:08 PM PDT by Criminal Number 18F
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Anyone have the original posting of the Bush misquote-containing column, or was the column so repulsive that nobody bothered to post it?

It's still on this page

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/14/opinion/14DOWD.html?ex=1054267200&en=158caf9f277bf396&ei=5070

May 14, 2003 Osama's Offspring

By MAUREEN DOWD

WASHINGTON

We've had our regime change in the Middle East. Now Qaeda terrorists want theirs.

Even before Al Qaeda claimed credit for the explosions ripping through Riyadh on Monday night, the Saudi princes were frightened and seeking American help. They were scared that Al Qaeda, which they once used to deflect resentment away from their own corruption, had succeeded in infiltrating various levels of society, including the government.

The problem with Saudi Arabia is that it is such an opaque society, you can never be sure what's going on there from the outside — and apparently it's not spectacularly transparent from the inside, either.

U.S. intelligence analysts warned the Saudis that an attack on American interests in the kingdom was coming. The Saudis reacted the way they typically do, defensively. The anti-American chatter had become such a din in the last two weeks that the State Department had warned Americans not to travel there.

The Saudi princes reluctantly began an investigation into the possible Qaeda plot. But even in such a repressed and repressive state, Saudi security forces couldn't stop the terrorists. They tried to seize an Islamic militant cell with links to radical clerics last Tuesday. The authorities found 800 pounds of explosives, but all 19 cell members — 17 Saudis, one Iraqi and one Yemeni — escaped.

So, with a new Qaeda spokesman warning that "an attack against America is inevitable" and that "future missions have been entrusted" to a "new team . . . well protected against U.S. intelligence services," now we have to worry about 19 slippery Islamic terrorists coming at us from Saudi Arabia?

Talk about a sickening sense of déjà vu.

Busy chasing off Saddam, the president and vice president had told us that Al Qaeda was spent. "Al Qaeda is on the run," President Bush said last week. "That group of terrorists who attacked our country is slowly but surely being decimated. . . . They're not a problem anymore."

Members of the U.S. intelligence community bragged to reporters that the terrorist band was crippled, noting that it hadn't attacked during the assault on Iraq.

"This was the big game for them — you put up or shut up, and they have failed," Cofer Black, who heads the State Department's counterterrorism office, told The Washington Post last week.

Of course, the other way of looking at it is that Al Qaeda works at its own pace and knows how to conduct operations on the run.

Al Qaeda has been weakened by the arrest of leaders like Khalid Shaikh Mohammed. But Osama, in recent taped messages, has exhorted his followers to launch suicide attacks against the invaders of Iraq. And as one ambassador from an Arab country noted, the pictures of American-made tanks in both Iraq and the West Bank of Israel certainly attracted new recruits to Osama.

The administration's lulling triumphalism about Al Qaeda exploded on Monday in Riyadh, when well-planned and coordinated suicide strikes with car bombs and small-arms fire killed dozens in three housing complexes favored by Westerners, including seven Americans.

The attack was timed to coincide with Colin Powell's visit to the kingdom, and clearly meant to hurt both America and Saudi Arabia. Even though Rummy announced two weeks ago in Riyadh that he was pulling the U.S. troops Osama hated so much from Saudi Arabia, Qaeda leaders still want to undermine the Saudi monarchy that has been so receptive to infidel U.S. presidents.

Buried in the rubble of Riyadh are some of the Bush administration's basic assumptions: that Al Qaeda was finished, that invading Iraq would bring regional stability and that a show of American superpower against Saddam would cow terrorists.

Bob Graham, the Florida senator running for president, said at the Capitol yesterday that Iraq had been a diversion: "We essentially ended the war on terror about a year ago. And since that time, Al Qaeda has been allowed to regenerate."

Doing a buddy routine with Rummy yesterday in Washington, as the defense secretary accepted an award, Vice President Dick Cheney was as implacable as ever. "The only way to deal with this threat ultimately is to destroy it," he said.

So destroy it.  


57 posted on 05/28/2003 4:54:27 PM PDT by syriacus (Why DO liberals keep describing each other as THOUGHTFUL individuals?)
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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA
I don't know which one in the past they are referring to, and I can't bring myself to read through all her collumns if I don't have to.


http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/14/opinion/14DOWD.html?ex=1054267200&en=158caf9f277bf396&ei=5070

Osama's Offspring (May 14, 2003)

See post 57, above, for the text from the column.

58 posted on 05/28/2003 5:05:50 PM PDT by syriacus (Why DO liberals keep describing each other as THOUGHTFUL individuals?)
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To: Godzilla
"SNL's excuse, of course, is excessive use of cannabis: What is Maureen's?" Excessive doses of liberalism

NO, I would say that Maureen Dowd's problem is a hatred of men. This is what actuates her at every level. She is not above favoring some man....as long as he serves her ultimate agenda of ridiculing masculinity wherever she sees it. Her marxism and feminism is simply a manifestation of the psychological hatred and envy which, I say, drives her efforts.

This probably seems over the top at first blush, since I never met her but only have tried to read her op-ed column after having read her news reporting. On that basis alone, however, I think I am correct because her personal writing style --often stream of consciousness-- is revealing to those who can see it.

59 posted on 05/28/2003 5:28:04 PM PDT by ontos-on
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To: syriacus
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/14/opinion/14DOWD.html?ex=1054267200&en=158caf9f277bf396&ei=5070

Great work syriacus, I knew I could always count on the industriousness of FReepers.

Now we have to send this to our friends in Talk Radio, conservative print, etc.
60 posted on 05/28/2003 7:46:16 PM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (Press Secret; Of 2 million Shiite pilgrims, only 3000 chanted anti Americanisms--source-Islamonline!)
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