Davis allies to launch anti-recall campaign

San Diego Union Tribune ^ | 5/28/2003 | John Marelius

[dalereed]

"One Democratic strategist said the counter campaign will pay top dollar – $2 per signature, as opposed to the 75 cents per signature the recall petitioners are getting.

The Democrat said they hope to persuade recall circulators to switch sides or at least greatly drive up the costs for the recall's new financial angel, Republican Rep. Darrell Issa of Vista."

That's what I call desperation!

The volunteer effort is moving along so well these peo;le don't stand a chance of stopping it.

[goldstategop]

I'd love to see them pay top dollar to defend a governor no one likes. Heck let them pay til they go broke. It suits the Rats right.

[Rennes Templar]

The anti-Davis group needs to re-double their efforts and wage an anti-anti-recall recall campaign.

[darkwing104]

Where are the Hollywood Libs? You would think those useful Idoits would pitch in a few bucks.

[Mister Baredog]

Where are the Hollywood Libs? You would think those useful Idoits would pitch in a few bucks.

Some of them probably are, but even some of them can't defend the indefensible, Gray Davis.

[Carry_Okie]

Where are the Hollywood Libs? You would think those useful Idoits would pitch in a few bucks.

No, those are VERY useful idiots.

[dalereed]

RecallGrayDavis.com is soliciting funds to put on a radio advertising blitz in the coming weeks to counter the slimy press that the recall effort has been waging across the state. They just announced it in an e-mail yesterday.

[Common Tator]

"One Democratic strategist said the counter campaign will pay top dollar – $2 per signature, as opposed to the 75 cents per signature the recall petitioners are getting.

The Democrat said they hope to persuade recall circulators to switch sides or at least greatly drive up the costs for the recall's new financial angel, Republican Rep. Darrell Issa of Vista."

Give you petition collectors an extra set of petitions and ask each signer to sign both.... one set to sell to Davis for $2.00 a signature and one to sell to the Recall Committee for $0.75. That would allow the petition collectors to increase their income from 75 cents a signer to $2.75 a signer. That should get a lot more people interested in collecting signatures and make the Davis strategy backfire totally.

[Eric in the Ozarks]

That's funny...

[daviddennis]

A little anecdote:

I was shopping at Target about a week ago, and there was a petition guy in front of the store. He said he had two petitions for people to sign.

I was thinking one of them might be the recall, and since I hadn't gotten around to circulating mine (I'm afraid I will never be a political organizer :-( ), I figured I would sign.

He was pushing something that sounded like some kind of leftist drivel, but he was pushing it hard. I suspect it was a pretty good proposal, if you like lining the pockets of Trial Lawyers.

So I asked him what the other one was, and he said "To recall the governor, Gray Davis."

I signed straight away. I think he was very, very disappointed I didn't sign the first petition, and not particularly pleased I signed the recall.

Common Tator, your proposal's pretty slimy, but it might work. The guy would just say "Here's one to recall Gray Davis, and here's one to save taxpayer money". I notice most people who sign petitions don't take the time to read them. (I do, of course, but I'm unusual).

It's noteworthy that the slimy tactic might work, since the pro-Davis petition is non-binding. So it doesn't really matter whether it passes or not. (So why are they willing to spend so much on it?) You could indeed get $2.75 per signature that way and still work to defeat Davis.

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[NormsRevenge]

Thanks for the post. Gub on the Run .. I love it!!!

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[dalereed]

Bump!

[Common Tator]

If I were Davis and had access to millions as he does, I would hire thousands of people to collect signatures for the Recall Davis petition. The Davis campaign could hire thousands of people to go out and collect recall signatures. Davis could open a couple of hundred phoney Recall Davis offices in the state.

Then as each petition was turned into a phony office they could destory it. The Davis people could publicize that 95 out of 100 petition circulators really work for Davis. People would then refuse to sign the legitimate recall petitions because they had already signed another one, or believe that all petition collectors are Davis hires and sign none.

Davis could have his people publicize his phony recall strategy.. Run ads that say 95 out of 100 recall petition gatherers are Davis hires who will throw your signature away. That should reduce the number of people who would sign a petition.

A Democrat who would run ads in a Republican primary in order get the Republican nomination for someone he could easily beat, would not be above doing something close to what I say.

The road ahead is going to get a lot rockier as time wears on. People in the recall effort should start thinking ahead. I may not have figured out what sort of dirty trick davis will do, but bet your last dollar he is going to pull some sort of trick. The Recallers has best be prepared.

[dalereed]

I think that could be construed to be a criminal act and fraud.

[Common Tator]

I think that could be construed to be a criminal act and fraud.

Uh HUH... Fraud is a deception done for unlawful gain.

It is not a crime to gather petition signatures for any reason.

It is not unlawful to ask citizines to sign a petition. that will not be filed. It is no more illegal than it is to ask some one to sign a check and then never cash the check.

[dalereed]

"Fraud is a deception done for unlawful gain"

If stopping his recall from being successfull isn't for unlawfull gain, what would you call it?

[Uncle Hal]

I look for Davis and his ilk to get down and dirty. I think you will see phoney signatures, signed petitions destroyed, people soliciting signatures roughed up etc. We have to be vigilent. The dems control the state so their illegal tactics will not be punished.

[heleny]

Then as each petition was turned into a phony office they could destory it. The Davis people could publicize that 95 out of 100 petition circulators really work for Davis. People would then refuse to sign the legitimate recall petitions because they had already signed another one, or believe that all petition collectors are Davis hires and sign none.

That is pretty slimy. Unlike voter registration, which requires the collector to submit the application within a few days, a fraudulent recall signature collector could just hold on to the signatures without turning them in by the deadline or ever.

I thought about it a while back, but I decided that there is enough dissatisfaction in CA with Davis to overcome any such schemes. Besides, if people knew about that kind of deception, they would be even more motivated to vote Davis out of office at the recall election.

I already heard on the radio a caller asked why he had to pay money to get a copy of the petition online. Of course, the official petition is free, but the caller had mistakenly gone to the wrong website and became unnecessarily upset.

The propensity for such fraud or even simple error is why we only need 12% of the last vote to qualify the recall election and why it's important for the recall committees and talk radio to disseminate accurate info frequently.

[Common Tator]

If stopping his recall from being successfull isn't for unlawfull gain, what would you call it?

But fraud says he must gain from deception. Where is the deception. If his agents say sign this petition to recall Gray Davis where is the deception. It is a petition to recall Gray Davis. If his agents never guarantee in writing that they will file the petition, then there is no deception.

What if someone asked you to sign a petition. You did so. Then you later found out the persons collecting the signatures never filed the petitions... how have you been defrauded? Such a signature gatherer made Zero use of your signature. Only if the petition or petitioner guaranteed the petition was was going to be filed, would it be fraud.

Davis's people are not all stupid.

[Mr. Jeeves]

Even if the recall passes, the Democrats will just find some crooked judge to throw it out, like they did for Prop 187.