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To: kosta50; bob808
Good discussion, although we've been wandering pretty far away from the Balkans topic. On the Iraqi WMD, the choices for where they are:
1. Destroyed by Iraq.
2. Still hidden in Iraq.
3. Hidden in another country (Syria? Libya? ????)
4. In the hands of criminals, terrorists or Hussein regime fugitives.
5. A combination of some or all of 1-4 above.

I tend to go with choice 5. And that is scary--there is no doubt that Al Qaeda will use whatever they can get; having some of that stuff loose means it is just a matter of time before it falls into the hands of people who will use it against us. Which is, BTW, another reason why we should have had more troops on the ground in the invasion of Iraq. We had insufficient ground forces to both defeat the Iraqi military and then occupy the entire country swiftly enough to forestall the WMD growing legs.
66 posted on 06/04/2003 1:36:48 PM PDT by mark502inf
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To: mark502inf; bob808
So far we went to most likely places and found nothing. A huge political scnadal is brewing and something must be done. Do you think that desperate politicians could plant "evidence?" After all, who's chekcing what is being brought in and out of Iraq?

The target list provided to our pilots by the CIA of alleged WMD sites was characterized as "rubbish" by one official -- the target list included targets bombed in Gulf War I.

The British (who else!) alleged that Iraq could get nuclear weapons ready in a matter of months and had WMDs ready to be launched withing 45 minutes.

Do you honestly think the Iraqis could move huge quantities of weapons, stockpiles that were an "imminent" and present danger to US and "Friends" (is that a take on "Fox and Motards?"), especially with the bogus Al-Qaida links, under the watchful eyes of our Predators, USMC RC weee planes, satellites and "humint" source and for us to see absolutely nothing?

In the first stages of war, we hit a bus going to Syria -- full of civilians, thinking it may have something to do with...WMDs, of course, or Saddam and his lot. Bad intel. Ooops! Collateral damage. We thought it was ... military stuff, you know. In other words, our $30 billion dollar intel was relying on hearsay from its human "sources" who are willing to tell you anything for a buck. Now I am beginning to believe that during the Kosovo war CIA could not afford updated maps of Belgrade before hitting the Chinese Embassy with a B2 sent all the way form the US just for that purpose, and of course there was not a single Serb willing for a few dollars to walk past the object to verify it for us -- "humint" you know.

The mystery question of the day that remains shoved under the rug is: who was the "military source" that told the media that Pfc Jessica Lynch was shot a couple of times and stabbed while killing of Iraqis?

We will probably never know for the same reason we never learned the identity of the stealth bomber pilot shot down over Srem (Serbia) in 1999 -- the first grudgingly acknowleged but initially heavily denied dowing of a stealth plane. He sure was treated differently from AF Capt. O'Gready shot over Bosnia in 1995, who became an instant celebrity.

As for WMDs we will "find" them, regardless what has to be done to "find" them. Heck, we need to do anything to save face. Just ask Robert McNamara. He will tell you in his memoirs that he knew we would lose Vietnam, but saving face was worth 59,000 American lives -- not to talk of a hundredto two hundred fold Vietnamese losses. Hey, he is a politician -- and politicians are just like the rest of us common people, except they have some uncommon powers they like to (ab)use.

There are a lot of questions, aren't they? And they all revolve around -- who's fabricating and falsifying and why?.

67 posted on 06/04/2003 6:06:58 PM PDT by kosta50
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To: mark502inf
Well, I think you need take #1 off your list.

If they were destroyed (assuming they existed in the first place), then technically he fulfilled the terms of the UN Resolution and could have saved his bacon simply by showing inspectors.

If you're thinking they were destroyed after the war (again, assuming they existed in the first place), why didn't he use them? Why would Saddam let himself and his regime perish protecting weapons he did not intend to use?

#2 and #3 are still a possibility.

It would be terribly ironic, however, if it was #4 and the war that was about saving us from WMD's actually sent them to terrorists' hands.
68 posted on 06/04/2003 6:09:54 PM PDT by bob808
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