U.S. MULLED SERIES OF SANCTIONS AGAINST ISRAEL!!!!

MENL ^ | May 27, 2003 | MENL

[travelnurse]

The Church says by NT Christs established new religion which is quite different then jewish religion. Church says that Christ established that here new chosen people the amount of his pupils and followers. In the world the christians.

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I don't know what church you are talking about, but it appears to be teaching a doctrine which is not according to the Scriptures, no offense intended.

NO ONE IS RIGHTEOUS - Romans 3 As it is written:

"There is NO ONE, NOT EVEN ONE
there is no one who understands,
no one who seeks God.
ALL HAVE TURNED AWAY,
they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good, not even one. Psalm 14:1-3

RIGHTEOUSNESS THROUGH FAITH in Christ vs. 21
INGRAFTED BRANCHES vs. 17 on

If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, through a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive, root, (18) DO NOT BOAST OVER THOSE BRANCHES. If you do, conside this: YOU DO NOT SUPPORT THE ROOT.

ALL ISRAEL WILL BE SAVED vs. 25 on

Written by Paul, Apostle of Christ, a Jew

[RusIvan]

I don't know what church you are talking about, but it appears to be teaching a doctrine which is not according to the Scriptures, no offense intended. +++

Church is started by Jesus pupils then followers who teached others then others etc. Later it splited on catholic and orthodox.
I belong to russian ortodox. I'm not very religious so but I got it right so.
The church teaches that the believers are creating a new chosen people under leadership of church. It compises Chistianity.

Judaism is quite different religion. Jewish books of Old Testament is considered as history of relationship between God and people but it is story BEFORE cristianity. No wonder it called OLD Testament.
OLD means outdated. Not accual now when NEW religion christianity was created.

New Testanment IS christianity. The teaching by Christ directly without middlemen. First christians was former jews who went out of judaism. Was condemned by jew clerics for that. It is too in New Testament.
Christ got arrested by Romans after request of jewish clerics. They asked for his crusifictions.

It is too all the New Testament stories. It was struggle between old religion and new religion. One cann't not notice that.

[travelnurse]

Judaism is quite different religion. Jewish books of Old Testament is considered as history of relationship between God and people but it is story BEFORE cristianity. No wonder it called OLD Testament.
OLD means outdated. Not accual now when NEW religion christianity was created.

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Not so, my friend.... Jesus said in the Gospel of Matthew, Ch. 5

(17) "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law of the Prophets (OT), I HAVE NOT COME TO ABOLISH THEM, BUT TO FULFILL THEM. (18) I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (OT) UNTIL EVERYTHING IS ACCOMPLISHED."

The OT and it's prophecies written by the prophets of God(Jesus Christ) of the OT, are a continuing of all that is to be fulfilled through Jesus Christ, past,(OT), present (OT & NT), and future (OT & NT).

[Vets_Husband_and_Wife]

BTW friend.. I just wanted to say that you say things QUITE well thank you!! :o)

I've always enjoyed your comments and opinions.

[RusIvan]

I see. It is difficult question so. I will look into it further. I'll ask specialists the priests.
But you know what here is just one more moment.
Jews was scattered from Jerusalim as punishement for rejection of Christ and fight against him. It is true right?

[travelnurse]

I see. It is difficult question so. I will look into it further. I'll ask specialists the priests.
But you know what here is just one more moment.
Jews was scattered from Jerusalim as punishement for rejection of Christ and fight against him. It is true right?

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It was the Jewish political religious leaders who rejected Christ the first time He came. As I have previously said, Jesus had multitudes of Jewish followers, as is proven in the NT, the Gospels and Letters written by Paul and others... all Jews. (who wrote the NT.) They all died horrible deaths for the cause and Gospel of Christ.

The Jewish people were scattered from Jerusalem to preach the Gospel. Read the Book of Acts.

The Jewish people were overtaken by various empires, the Babylonians, the Romans, Assyrians, etc. and sent into captivity for 4,000 years. ( the Romans gave the land of Israel the name of Palestina so as to destroy the name of Israel and the Israelites (Israel meaning Nation of God, Israelites meaning children of God). BUT THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN A JEWISH PRESENCE IN THE LAND OF ISRAEL, inspite of being scattered [and taken captive and persecuted by other nations, in Europe]

This was all foretold in the OT (and NT by Jesus) because the Jewish religious/political leaders rejected the Messiah.

Israel became a formal State in 1948 when mass amounts of Jews returned to their homeland after WWII. This was foretold by God's prophet in the OT Book of Deut. 30:3-5

"And the Lord, your God, SHALL RETURN YOU FROM YOUR CAPTIVITY and have compassion upon you. He shall return and gather you from amongst all the nations. AND THE LORD, YOUR GOD WILL BRING YOU BACK INTO THE LAND YOUR FATHERS INHERITED. He will make you even more prosperous and numerous than your fathers."

This is a direct fullfillment of Biblical prophecy!! In 1948, there were 600,000 Jews in Israel; in 1999 4.7 million.

"For thus says God, "Shout with joy for Jacob (Israel), exult at the head of the nations; proclaim your praise and say: 'O God, deliver your people, THE REMNANT OF ISRAEL!!' Behold, I will bring them back from northern lands, and gather them from the ends of the world...." [Jeremiah 31:6-7]

Israel has not only been able to absorb huge masses of people, it has not only survived living in a constant state of war by hostile neighboring Arab nations out to destroy the Jews, it has grown economically inspite of all the boycotts instigated by the Arabs.

Not only did the desert bloom, but in a relatively short time the once barren land was producing a surplus, and exporting to the United States.

Another fulfillment of prophecy:

"As for you, O mountains of Israel, you shall shoot forth your branches and bear your fruit for My people Israel, for their return is close at hand. For behold, I am with you and I SHALL TURN TO YOU; then you shall be tilled and sown. And I will multiply men upon you, THE ENTIRE FAMILY OF ISRAEL." [Ezekiel 36:8-11]

All Israel will be saved!! Romans Ch. 11

[quietolong]

The Jews were scattered as punishment For not keeping the Covenant. That’s why all those Romans were walking around there in the time of Christ. Sort of the final warning. Keep the 10 or else! But NOoo... They kept chasing after the Golden Calf. So in 79AD It was out you go. If you keep on reading Ezekiel you come to..

Ezekiel 36-16
16 Then the word of the LORD came to me saying,
17 “Son of man, when the house of Israel was living in their own land, they defiled it by their ways and their deeds; their way before Me was like the uncleanness of a woman in her impurity.
18 “Therefore I poured out My wrath on them for the blood which they had shed on the land, because they had defiled it with their idols.
19 “Also I scattered them among the nations and they were dispersed throughout the lands. According to their ways and their deeds I judged them.

But don’t stop there.
It is true God will call the Jews back to show HE keeps his word. and God will do two things. When HE call them back. And these two thing have not been done!
All those that whine like a bunch of Gore voters. “ But see God gave it to us and look look he’s giving in back now. “ like to skip over those parts.

Here's Ezekiel for you
http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=EZEK+1&language=english&version=NASB

[travelnurse]

The Book of Acts:

Ch. 1
In my former book, Theophilus, I wrote about all that Jesus began to do and to teach [2] until the day he was taken up to heaven, AFTER GIVING INSTRUCTIONS THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT TO THE APOSTLES (Jews) HE HAD CHOSEN. After his suffering, HE SHOWED HIMSELF TO THESE MEN and gave many convincing proofs that he was alive. [4] On one occasion, while he was eating with them, HE GAVE THEM THIS COMMAND;

"DO NOT LEAVE JERUSALEM, BUT WAIT FOR THE GIFT MY FATHER PROMISED, WHICH YOU HAVE HEARD ME SPEAK ABOUT. [5]FOR JOHN BAPTIZED WITH WATER, BUT IN A FEW DAYS YOU WILL BE BAPTIZED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT."

[6] So when they met together, they asked him, "LORD, (notice his Jewish apostles called him Lord)are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?"

[7] He said to them: "It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority. [8]BUT YOU WILL RECEIVE POWER WHEN THE HOLY SPIRIT COMES ON YOU; AND YOU WILL BE MY WITNESSES IN JERUSALEM, AND IN ALL JUDEA AND SAMARIA, AND TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH".

[9] After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight.

And this is how the Gospel was spread, starting in Jerusalem with the 12 Jewish Apostles of Christ, and will end when God gives the human race one final chance to believe on the name of His Son where, in the book of Revalation,[Ch. 7] 144,000 Jewish servants of God, are Sealed = 12,000 from each of the 12 original tribes of Israel.

[travelnurse]

It is true God will call the Jews back to show HE keeps his word. and God will do two things. When HE call them back. And these two thing have not been done!
All those that whine like a bunch of Gore voters. “ But see God gave it to us and look look he’s giving in back now. “ like to skip over those parts.

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Could you please explain what you mean here, please?

[jimt]

It's simply the golden rule: "He who has the gold makes the rules." For $6 billion a year in subsidies, the US gets some say.

[quietolong]

Ask in your heart to receive the truth. And it will be revealed to you as your ready.

In your post # 246 you quoted Ezekiel 36 8 thrught 11 Why did you stop at 11?
Why not continue on with 16 on. ??

So Are you trying to telling us that Barbra Streisand is teaching the Gospel ? And all those Synagogues that have kicked the Boy Scouts out. Are showing the way?

[travelnurse]

You still have answered my question. Please explain yourself.

[armed_in_sydney]

'God has promised to bless the man or nation that blesses the Chosen People.'

Werent they the chosen people,then cast out...therefore not the chosen people anymore?

Im not trying to be a smart@ss either,i really dont know.

[MatthewViti]

For this is what the Lord Almighty says: "After He has honored me and has sent me against the nations that have plundered you - for whoever touches you touches the apple of His eye - I will surely raise my hand against them so that their slaves will plunder them. Then you will know that the Lord Almighty has sent me. Shout and be glad, O Daughter of Zion...

Genesis 12:3 "And I will bless them that bless thee and curse him that curseth thee; and in thee shall all nations of the earth be blessed."

--Point: God has promised to bless the man or nation that blesses the Chosen People. History has proven beyond reasonable doubt that the nations that have blessed the Jewish people have had the blessing of God; the nations that have cursed the Jewish people have experienced the curse of God.

[quietolong]

Well God is still POed at them. But there still sort of “ the Chosen People” Because God want’s to show he keeps his word. Some more of Ezekiel

Ezekiel 36



21 I had concern for my holy name, which the house of Israel profaned among the nations where they had gone.
22 "Therefore say to the house of Israel, 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: It is not for your sake, O house of Israel, that I am going to do these things, but for the sake of my holy name, which you have profaned among the nations where you have gone. 23 I will show the holiness of my great name, which has been profaned among the nations, the name you have profaned among them. Then the nations will know that I am the LORD , declares the Sovereign LORD , when I show myself holy through you before their eyes.

[quietolong]

Well what do you need explained? If it’s the Bible You need to ask the “Big Guy”
I’m only to start you on your quest. You need to find the answers on your own.

[travelnurse]

Well what do you need explained?

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Go back and look at your comments [that I asked you to explain] It's that simple. Please don't explain them by asking me questions. If you cannot explain your comments, then you should not be making them in the first place.