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To: LittleJoe
You version of history is not askew but apparently totally misinformed, misinterpreted and maybe delusionary.

I told you TR was not elected as a Bull Moose, I don't need you to tell me what happened.

Federalists scorned democracy, eh? If you knew any history you would know that 1) No one in that period claimed to be democrats it was a bad word meaning mob rule, anarchy and licentiousness. 2) There was no Universal Sufferage particularly in the South. New England had a much greater percentage of eligible voters than the South. 3)In Jefferson's Virginia less than 5% of the population could vote. He, of course, was an aristocrat in every meaning of the word.

Your description of the Federalists is false in every respect hilariously so. Federalists WROTE the constitution. Jeffersonians opposed it. Madison was a federalist in 1787 and Jefferson pretended to be. Federalism cannot include the destruction of state governments because divided sovereignty is the essence of federalism and the constitution the Federalists wrote doesn't do that. Federalists never tried to RE-write it as your asinine sentence claims.

The sedition act was less onerous and punative than the State laws regulating such behavior. Truth was a defense in the fed. law but NOT the state laws. See the persecution of Croswell by Jefferson's ally, George Clinton in NY state, for the some of the relevent facts.

They did NOT "meet their end with the War of 1812" the party was effectively destroyed in election of 1800. Hamilton's death in 1804 was the final blow. America's greatest revolutionary heroes were Federalists: Washington, Hamilton, Adams, John Marshall and Madison (until about 1792.)

Jefferson sucked up to the KILLERS of those who had aided our Revolution. He supported the far left Jacobins and Girondists. He never opposed the Reign of Terror and egged it on with irresponsible statements. Lafayette was imprisoned and almost killed by those terrorists.

Jefferson had nothing to do with the constitution since he was in France and later opposed it in his sneaking, deceitful way through the Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions.

He was supported by the NYC RAT machine of corruption and the petty Tyrants of the Slaverocracy. He destroyed the American military (so that 5000 redcoats were able to burn Washington) and weakened the national economy through the embargo virtually destroying America's shipping industry especially in N.E.

Jefferson was the most overrated president in American history and you are oblivious to the truth about him preferring to uncritically swallow the mythology which has grown up about him. You are probably even unaware that Washington ended their long friendship and stopped communicating with him after he left his cabinent because of the lies Jefferson's pressitutes were spreading about him. And because while SecState he was undermining Washington's policies.

You need some serious study in American history before you post here it is embarrassing to read what you write it is SO wrong.
267 posted on 05/28/2003 9:37:57 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (RATS will use any means to denigrate George Bush's Victory.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
You need some serious study in American history before you post here it is embarrassing to read what you write it is SO wrong

ROTFLMAO!!! Give it up Ace, I beat you fair and square. Your revisionist rant is bogus, to say the least.
Washington a Federalist? Washington himself denied adherence to any faction.

They did NOT "meet their end with the War of 1812" the party was effectively destroyed in election of 1800. Hamilton's death in 1804 was the final blow.

Remember the Hartford Convention of 1814? That's where the Federalists won the stigma of treason! The party under Rufus King carried only Connecticut, Massachusetts, and Delaware in the election of 1816, and quietly died in 1828.

Federalists tried to suppress Republican opposition to the undeclared war on France by prosecuting newspaperman Thomas Cooper and Republican congressman Matthew Lyon under the sedition act.

You are probably even unaware that Washington ended their long friendship and stopped communicating with him after he left his cabinent because of the lies Jefferson's pressitutes were spreading about him.

Ok, I've pretty well shot my wad of reading material, so I don't know of what you speak...Can you reference this statement?
277 posted on 05/28/2003 10:38:57 AM PDT by LittleJoe
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