Sharon, Trusting Bush

The New York Times ^ | 05/27/03 | William Safire

[MatthewViti]

So we reward them with a state?

[travelnurse]

Execellent post and very well documented!

[McGavin999]

No I haven't and who are you to go around labeling people? It is you who have no faith. You act as though God has no hand in this, even after seeing what has happened during the past year and a half.

Just because you have no faith doesn't give you the right to go around accusing others of your weakness.

Don't bother addressing me again. I have no time for people like you.

[FreeReign]

So we reward them with a state?

Who -- them?

[MatthewViti]

My faith is in God, not President Bush in this matter. You seem to be totally disregarding everything I've posted in this thread and twisting it around. Why is that? Is it because what I've said is the truth? Please, tell me what I've said in this thread that isn't true?

[MatthewViti]

the Palis.

[FreeReign]

So we reward them with a state?

The terrorists amongst Palis get rewarded with removal.

The rest of them get to live where they were born, in a seperate state.

[McGavin999]

You haven't said anything that isn't true, you've merely said things that are totally irrelevant. You don't know what's going on behind the scenes. Yet you quote scripture as though you are the only one who has read it.

Something has to be done, and yet you would stand aside while innocent Jews are killed every day.

You have seen a roadmap that is old and worn out presented and you instantly assume that means something. With God in charge, the map means nothing, it's the driver and the vehicle that matter.

We have watched as miracle after miracle has happened over the last year and a half, I have no reason to believe that God has changed His mind on the future of Israel and suddenly He, or the US, will forsake it. I have no reason to believe that George W. Bush, who has proven to be faithful to his word and to the Israeli people, will suddenly abandon them.

The idea that we would abandon the Jews after all we've been through lately is laughable.

[MatthewViti]

You don't know what's going on behind the scenes.

I know, you do.

Something has to be done, and yet you would stand aside while innocent Jews are killed every day.

You've got some real problems to accuse me of that, I'm one of the most pro-Israeli people in this forum. Bush's "road map" will only lead to more Jews being killed. The Palestinians want to wipe out the Jewish state of Jews. But Bush seems content to reward them with more of Israel's land. Soon, the time will come when God will say "enough" of this madness.

[McGavin999]

I know, you do.

I don't need to know, I have faith that God is in charge. I also know that Sharon would not be going along with this if it would endanger the Israeli people. I think there are honorable men in charge of both countries and we've already seen that the UN and the EU have been made to look foolish time after time after time. That tells me that there's more to this than meets the eye.

But ye of little faith go ahead and cast your doubts like a dark cloud, the rest of us will be praying for the security of Israel and doing what we can to help these two good men cut through the geordian knot.

[travelnurse]

The idea that we would abandon the Jews after all we've been through lately is laughable.

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Are we not abandoning Israel by forcing them to divide up the Covenant Land given to the Jews by God Himself and hand it over to terrorists, who have no intention of keeping peace with the Jews.

The Arabs have 23 states. Why doesn't GWB insist that these states absorb the refugees from 1948, from which they came from in the first place, and their descendants instead of insisting that Israel be carved up? Think about it. The Jews in Israel aren't even allowed into some of these Arab states, but yet GWB insists that Israel be carved up for them.

GWB is abandoning the Jews with this roadmap because he is forcing them out of their home, to give to terrorists. It is not the right way to go.

[McGavin999]

It is the devils work to cast doubt. Were we not told that if we had the faith, even as small as a mustard seed, we could move mountains?

[onyx]

We (the US) have two vital interests in the mideast: Israel and oil. We aren't about to give-up either one of them.

I trust President Bush and I trust Prime Minister Sharon. Both men are honest warriors and both are guided by God.

[McGavin999]

Thanks onyx, I feel the same way.

[travelnurse]

"It is the devils work to cast doubt. Were we not told that if we had the faith, even as small as a mustard seed, we could move mountains?"

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You are right, we can move mountains with the faith of a mustard seed. But this faith must be aligned with God's word. Going against God's word, as in the case of GWB, is no faith in God's word at all, from GWB's view, IMO, and can only bring disastrous results for the United States and Israel.

Beware of a wolf in sheep's clothing.

[McGavin999]

Ah, and God made you His spokesman. I see, you must feel so privilaged.

Well, time will tell.

[onyx]

I've read enough of your posts to know one thing: You're a Bush hater.

Oh, you very well might be an avowed supporter of Israel, but so am I.

Unlike you, I trust both Bush and Sharon. And guess what? They trust each other. Thankfully, they're the ones in charge, not you.

[MississippiMan]

The roadmap, the vehicle, the driver, they're all irrelevant. All of this is nothing more than expensive theatrics at best. At worst, it will even further compromise Israel's ability to defend itself. There will be no lasting peace in Israel established by mortal man, and I never ceased to be amazed that otherwise intelligent people can't see this.

MM

[travelnurse]

I've read enough of your posts to know one thing: You're a Bush hater.

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I am not a Bush hater and I voted for him and have supported everything he has done up to forcing this road map upon Israel. Sorry, I cannot with a clear conscience, support that.