A Spy Machine of DARPA's Dreams

global scurity.org ^ | 5.02.03 | Noah Shachtman

[kms61]

This project needs to be axed immediately.

[Fitzcarraldo]

Here's the deal: they already have this capability.

[John Beresford Tipton]

This isn't about "terrorism", it's about more power for the government, and the concommitant ability to abuse that power.

Think about it.
Saddam might be/ [might have been?]/ the vilest person on earth, but go into your room, pull down the shades, take out a pad.

Make two columns.
In one column list everything that Saddam did to *you*,
add everything the nutty Talebin did to *you*,
add in everything that the fruitcake Kim Il did to *You*
Then sum up that column.

Go to the other column.
List there every way that some *other* government has screwed you around.
It might take you some time, hopefully you'll finish by next April 15th.
Then sum up that column.

Which column is bigger?
Sssh. Don't tell me, don't even say it out loud.
Just tell these "Conservative" Republicans" who come up with these scams, "Please, sir, can I have some more"?

[Libertarianize the GOP]

http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/bump-list

[Theophilus]

dump everything an individual does into a giant database

This may be possible for an idividual but there isn't a landfill big enough to do this for every individual.

[quietolong]

Take a look at some of things there looking for. Check out the links from the page.


Department of Defense (DoD) SBIR and STTR programs
http://www.acq.osd.mil/sadbu/sbir/

[Travis McGee]

Just think of the fun President Hillary and Attorney General Schumer will have with these tools!

[ALS]

shadow gummint

[Timesink]

What national security experts and civil libertarians want to know is, why would the Defense Department want to do such a thing?

What us sane people want to know is, why does anyone even worry about this being POSSIBLE? The article makes it quite clear that DARPA's just blowing ideas out its rear end, which is pretty much DARPA's purpose.

Even if databases of most of this information existed - which it does not, and which would cost TRILLIONS to even begin to build - we don't have computers capable of sorting through all the data. It's a mathematical impossibility. (Someone posted the article proving this on FR some months ago.)

[Timesink]

Just think of the fun President Hillary and Attorney General Schumer will have with these tools!

Over on Earth B, perhaps.

[Squantos]

I almost have zero problem with such a tool in the hands of responsible, loyal, intelligent American Citizens charged with the constitutional defense of this great nation.

Problem is there is no such thing as that I have described. Be afraid, be very afraid.........

Stay Safe !

[Squantos]

Good point..........Stay Safe !

[wardaddy]

Listed and lamposted...we may need a crane for this one.

[Billy_bob_bob]

I'm not worried about this. After all, it's bound to have a Microsoft operating system. No worries at all.

< print report on citizen John Doe >

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Listing all available database elements.
**error** database access error
**error** system hardware crash
**error** automatic rebooting engaged.

---

ten minutes later

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*SYSTEM UP*

< print report on citizen John Doe >

---

Listing all available database elements.
Attended elementary school Washin..........
**error** database access error
**error** system hardware crash
**error** automatic rebooting engaged.

---

ten minutes later

---

*SYSTEM UP*

< print report on citizen John Doe >

---

Listing all available database elements.
Attended elementary school Washinton elem..........
**error** database access error
**error** system hardware crash
**error** automatic rebooting engaged.

No worries at all mate. Bill Gates is doing his part to protect us all from unwanted government intrusion.

[drhogan]

couldn't they run the program in a way that only begins to track someone when they buy a certain type of book or have certain specific characteristics, e.g., certain ethnic groups or people who belong to certain organizations or who call certain phone numbers. Once it begins tracking those people, it can collect new indicators that will trigger it to track other people who might be seen as potential enimies of the state. there's no need to track most people, only those who are potential risks.

[boris]

John Pike, director of defense think tank GlobalSecurity.org, said he finds the explanations "hard to believe."

John Pike is a charlatan. Check his academic credentials. He has none.

There is no evidence that he even possesses a high-school diploma.

His ignorance evidently is what qualifies him to be a highly-sought-after pundit for the talking heads shows.

What a mountebank.

--Boris

[Possenti]

Go to the other column. List there every way that some *other* government has screwed you around.

"Other" government? HMmmmmm...WHO could that be???

I like your style and simple reasoning. I only wish "conservatives" would catch on. Maybe when Hillary's in the White House, they'll wake up.

[Michael Barnes]

Information overload..That is all this can turn out to be..The Gov't tries as it thinks it must to protect us from ourselves, all that it has gotten us is more vulnerable. It tries to provide for all, all it has gotten us is a new class of leeches. The Gov't enact's more laws to enforce laws already on the book..it has gottne us where?

The only reason I am against a "total information awareness" type deal per individual is purely because the tighter the Gov't tries to stenghten it's grasp, the more sand will slip between it's fingers. And that, when boiled down, means MORE trouble.

Sorry to say, but most of you on this board are already owned. Unless you live by means of cash only, no ownership lifestyle, your fully trackable (Federal/State tax filing's, home ownership, car loans, student loans, credit cards, utility bills, the list goes on)...Your FULLY trackable already. Even all of our shenanigans in cyber space are FULLY trackable.

Bottom line though, the Gov't involved in ANYTHING becomes a cluster f*ck. If something like the above article becomes fully vested, expect the same.

[quietolong]

There were those who said it was impossible to go to the Moon too. But there are 12 sets of footprints there now.
It can be done. Remember the money we use is made up anyway. Do you think the people who want to use this care about money in the first place.