[Oztrich Boy]

I'm finding nothing before Magna Carta.

Charter of Liberties of King Henry I A.D. 1100

Note that Henry is acknowledging and promising "restoration" of the laws of King Edward (Saxon laws).
Which he had to do in order to receive legitimacy by election from the "rump Witan". Under Norman rules of primogenture the rightful ruler would have been Duke Robert of Normandy. (William Rufus had been king because William I, who held England by right of conquest, was able to make it as a personal gift)

Indeed for a couple of centuries the grievences of the English against the Normans were for a return of those Rights held under the pre-conquest "Laws of the Good King Edward"

[Tin-Legions]

Now we are getting somewhere-this is the type of stuff I'm talking about-I can be convinced... Not too sure whether this or MC or even AS laws are a prelude to "creator or God given" rights, but I see a distinct possibility what both you and WW have been stating about a seperate and independent growth of individual liberties and parliments seperate from Greek or Roman influence. But a good start for study-Ill direct you to the books I mentioned in my posts to WW and the writings of the Founders for my point of view. As I have told WW, I've not really heard of anyone stressing the importance of Germanic customs in our mode of governance. I'll continue with further study.

Thanks for your input, since we have beat this thread to death I'll end it with what I've stated before "we will have to agree to disagree". take care, TL