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To: WorkingClassFilth
Sorry...

I meant to say that Karamojo Bell used a .275 and the widespread use of .30 cal. rifles among 'me-too' Europeans may have much to do with Bell and his use of lighter, high velocity ammo on heavy game like the elephants. The widespread availability of military ammo from the .303 to the 7.62 mm NATO and all of the Soviet stuff is what has driven choice among poorer locals hunting for the pot or insurgents looking for profit.

The .275 Rigby used by William David Maitland to take about 800 of his circa 1100 elephants is more commonly known as a 7x57 Mauser in U.S. cartridge designations. But Bell was no fool, and when starting out, himself used a Jeffrey dounle rifle on .450/400, certainly better suited for jumbo and rhino in brush. Note too that Bell's choice of 7mm ammunition was a full-jacketed pointed solid that would provide sufficient penetration to reach the brain, not always possible with some of the larger caliber weapons whose penetrative capabilities were a result of mass and weight rather than velocity and bullet design.

For most other beasties in Africa, the .375 so beloved by John *Pondoro* Taylor as an all-around African rifle will do the job, though something a bit more certain is preferanble for buffalo, though it will do fine on lions and other less massive beasties. Aside from the *big five* the American .30-06 and .308 Winchester will do just fine, and the .300 H&H or .300 Winchester Magnum will suffice about as well as the .338 Lapua Magnum or 9x54r, with the .375, .401 Rigby and similar equipment a step up from that- but the key is expert familiarity with the rifle and the knowledge of where to oplace the bullet, as Bell did.

I don't claim any great expertise, having only taken one elephant and three Nyati buffalo, back in the 1970s. But I believe if I were to return to hunt there again, assuming identical conditions, I'd go with a .450/400 double and a .338 boltrifle, with a .308 handy for cattle and any two-legged pests. And if elephant/rhino/buffalo were the only or primary reasons for the exercise, the .450/400 double and a .460 boltrifle would be just fine. And I wouldn't even feel terribly underequipped even with a .303 Enfield, which will do most anythihng a .308 can- which is quite a lot, actually.

But I'd be very picky about my choice of ammunition, and practice would extend to hundreds of rounds fired.

-archy-/-

84 posted on 05/24/2003 8:17:47 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: archy
Thnaks for you insights and those of all the others that have been and done!

I'll never have the cash to hunt these creatures, but the accounts of the old hunters never cease to fascinate. The closeset I will ever get was chasing white rhino on the back of elephants in the terai country of Nepal.

Knowing some of the early hunters started their careers with black powder is mind-boggling. Stupifying disease and pestilence. Many of them describe lots of bad ammunition where misfires occurred with horrifying frequency. Dealing with treachery and cunning on the part of tribal chieftans as well as the beasts in the bush. Stopping charges with an arm's reach of the shooter. All of this is potent, powerfull stuff. Made a convert of me as a kid and keeps me well entertained as a big kid still.

Even if all I ever do is snipe squirrel and take grouse on Autumn walks in the woods, the times, lore and vivid stories of this stuff is enough to make me grieve that there is a limit to the body of autobiographical accounts. The books that got me started years ago were Jim Corbet's accounts of hunting man-eaters in northern India. If people haven't read his stories, I envy them for the tremendous read they have to look forward to.

Again, thanks to all of you for sharing your terrific stories! Put 'em in a book...
100 posted on 05/24/2003 9:04:36 AM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Defund NPR, PBS and the LSC.)
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