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To: thinktwice; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; Phaedrus; cornelis; Dataman
An "actualized concept" has no basis in perception, reason, or reality; it is without heirarchical roots, there are no earlier -- realistic -- concepts on which it logically depends; and accepting such a "concept" is the intellectual equivalent of "standing on the fortieth floor of a skyscraper while dynamiting the first thirty-nine." That last quotation comes from page 136 in "Objectivism: the Philosophy of Ayn Rand," by Leonard Piekoff.

An actualized concept is what has brought everything Mr. Piekoff has/had been willing to admit as reality into being. It's just that it's not his concept, nor that of any other being he admitted to. It's not about him.

As this article and its poster's comments explain and as Hammer would say, "can't touch this":

THEOLOGY AND SCIENCE WITHOUT DUALISM

But "this" can touch you. And it's not about an endless spiral of effectuality. It is about One existing outside of space/time, but who also, while set apart from it, fills it. And how about THAT for the inadequacy of our language (or even our thoughts) to allow for actual comprehension? ;-) Thank God, we can still understand, however and "know in part."

247 posted on 05/24/2003 4:17:47 PM PDT by unspun ("Do everything in love.")
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To: unspun
As this article and its poster's comments explain and as Hammer would say, "can't touch this":
THEOLOGY AND SCIENCE WITHOUT DUALISM
But "this" can touch you. And it's not about an endless spiral of effectuality. It is about One existing outside of space/time, but who also, while set apart from it, fills it. And how about THAT for the inadequacy of our language (or even our thoughts) to allow for actual comprehension?

Thanks so much for re-posting that fabulous article.
I am still busy trying to digest even a small part of the wisdom therein. Here's a small example of just one of the wonderous insights you made on that thread that will regurgitate in my mind for months to come:

"I think that "Gypsies" if you will, are driving our culture, based upon powers of mass Gypsie shows.
They have the gambling booth under one tent, the veil dancer in another, the snake-oil salesman under another, the opium merchant under another, the loremaster under another, the fortune teller... and so it goes for a people with the newer more powerful and newer still technologies to bring idle people into the tents.
I think this creates a spread of groundlessness and people look for rationale that matches their sense of life, driven by this desire for titillation, quick fixes, and escape from accountability.
42 -unspun-

258 posted on 05/24/2003 4:54:15 PM PDT by tpaine (Really, I'm trying to be a 'decent human being', but me flesh is weak.,)
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To: unspun
I'm gone for at least 24 hours -- will read your link and comment later.
261 posted on 05/24/2003 5:08:05 PM PDT by thinktwice
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