Pride Before The Fall (Horowitz Sticks it to the Fundies!)

FrontPage Magazine ^ | 5/20/03 | David Horowitz

[tdadams]

Marc Racicot was being disingenuous in his statement that he would meet with "anybody and everybody."

I don't know if that's the case. My impression is that he simply didn't anticipate the wild imagination of Gary Bauer.

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

Very well articulated - thank you. (GO NAVY!! ; )

[breakem]

I do not accept your defintion of what is sexual activity and what is not.

Just for fun, let's proceed on your terms. Are you saying that the government can put people in jail for touching other people in a pleasurable manner when they are both adults and they both agree to it. Why would this not be a human right? What would be the source of the power of governmental power to outlaw this behavior.

More to the point, you have a lot of reeducating of people to do, shouldn't you be about your business?

[altura]

I think we have as many irrational boobs (as you put it) on one side of this issue as we have on the other.

[Dataman]

Prove you're worth the effort.

[longtermmemmory]

sure light a cigarett in a LA or NY restaurant. Destructive behaviors can and are restricted in various forms.

We teach children not to smoke. We should and do teach children homosexuality is bad.

[colorado tanker]

I have no "recent" discovery of gay rights or anything else. I have beleieved in the human right to sexual activity for over 35 years. You made up an argument and you have your facts wrong.

If the Supremes find such a "right" this term they will have to overrule existing case law and yes, this right will be brand spanking new. I'm not the one with facts wrong. Nothing in the Constitution grants a "human right to sexual activity," nor is there any Supreme Court case interpreting the Constitution to grant such a right.

It is crystal clear the people who wrote the Declaration and the Constitution thought there was no such right because they saw no Constitutional problem with sodomy laws. You have believed in this "right" for over 35 years. So is that when the Constitution was amended to add this new right, in 1968?

[altura]

Leo Strauss is ruling the world? I know everyone wears his jeans, but that seems a little strong.

[Clint N. Suhks]

Now if some guy wants to put his penis in the rectum of another guy or if two adult women enjoy have oral sex with each other, they have the right to do so. I may not do that myself, but it is their right. I may think it's immoral, but it is their right.

Guarenteed by what? You keep dodging the debate why the 9th supercedes the 10th amendment. What does the clause “certain rights” mean to you? The 9th amendment only protects those right’s “certain rights” that are not addressed by legislative law, that was Madison’s intent and NOTHING about the Liberaltarian concept of "force" is ever mentioned. Why do you think LSD and Ecstasy were legal when they first came out?

[tdadams]

Would you accept at face value the tenets of an article titled "The Christian Agenda for America" written by the American Atheists Organization?

If not, then why should I, or anyone, accept at face value the assertions made in this post? Surely you're not going to tell me it's from an unbiased source? Don't make me laugh.

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

So your suggestion is that we just look the other way as the GOP courts the sexual deviants by promising them special protected status based on what they do with their sex organs?

Did something lead you to believe Racicot made promises?

[Clint N. Suhks]

Are you saying that the government can put people in jail for touching other people in a pleasurable manner when they are both adults and they both agree to it.

Yep...that pesky incest law works here even though your "adult" condition is arbitrary and unconstituional.

[tdadams]

It's when someone resorts to absurdity like this that you can be sure they're losing the argument. I assume you feel the anti-smoking laws in NY or LA are perfectly fine? How do you reconcile support for such big-government/nanny-state laws as a conservative?

[scripter]

Its a behavior, it can be modified. Of course there will be some fat people and smokers who refuse to end their destructive behavior, that does not mean they did not try and that others should not also try.

tdadams is just trying to obfuscate the issue and ignore the facts. The real point is we don't have smokers and obese folks talking to our school kids that smoking and being obese is okay and there are no health consequences. Where we do have GLSEN and others telling school kids it's okay to be gay and even discussing fisting.

[eastsider]

Non-coital acts are not identical with coitus. In the land of sex, coitus is king. And I've explained why -- because coitus is ordered toward survival, and non-coital acts are not.

I don't understand the reluctance to support the right to non-coital acts. If there is no support, just say so.

[breakem]

If you read this thread and understood anything that's been explained to you, you'd stop repeating addressed issues.

If you have a counter to the points I made earlier or something new and coherent let's hear it.

[Clint N. Suhks]

You choose to eat a healthy balanced diet, excercise, and not smoke. Good for you. No one is forcing you to eat greasy burgers or smoke cigarettes. I guess it's too much to hope that this analogy won't be lost on you.

Those things don't really change a society do they?

[tdadams]

Nothing in the Constitution grants a "human right to sexual activity," nor is there any Supreme Court case interpreting the Constitution to grant such a right.

You think our rights are a grant from the Constitution or the Supreme Court??? I think we've found the source of confusion.

[breakem]

I think you misread my 363.

[Clint N. Suhks]

If you read this thread and understood anything that's been explained to you, you'd stop repeating addressed issues.

You’ve addressed NOTHING, except maybe in your own mind, other than trying to dodge my question. What does the clause “certain rights” mean to you? Why does the 9th supercede the 10th????