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Pride Before The Fall (Horowitz Sticks it to the Fundies!)
FrontPage Magazine ^ | 5/20/03 | David Horowitz

Posted on 05/20/2003 8:14:33 AM PDT by theoverseer

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To: eastsider
There is no truth in same-sex eroticism. It is utterly irrational.

So what is that little spark I get when I see the twins on the Coors ads??

121 posted on 05/20/2003 9:24:48 AM PDT by BlueNgold
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To: theoverseer
Jesus neglected to mention the subject of homosexuality

Ummm.... I wonder what Bible this guy is reading?

For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. These are what make a man 'unclean'; but eating with unwashed hands does not make him 'unclean.' " Matt 15:19-20

"He went on: "What comes out of a man is what makes him 'unclean.' For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. All these evils come from inside and make a man 'unclean.' " Mark 7:20-23

122 posted on 05/20/2003 9:25:25 AM PDT by Terriergal ("what's more ridiculous than an antihunter who eats meat?")
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To: jaime1959
Since when does "meeting" with a group mean that you accept their agenda, or that you're sympathetic to their ideas?

Since the Republican party decided to put a lot more effort into courting the gays than into their core base of social conservatives. This was just one more incident in a long developing pattern. The real point of the meeting was the lack of White House support for Sen. Rick Santorum. The RNC has no time to defend one of their own, but plenty of time to meet with the sodomite PAC.

123 posted on 05/20/2003 9:26:04 AM PDT by Maximilian
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To: BlueNgold
So what is that little spark I get when I see the twins on the Coors ads??
Hedonism.
124 posted on 05/20/2003 9:27:52 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: McGavin999
We are instructed to witness to people. How do you witness to people you shun?

Are you trying to tell me that Racicot was meeting with the gays in order to "witness" to them? I don't think so. In fact, in an earlier story he specifically denied that he was doing anything of the sort. And his questions to the Bauer, Weyrich, etc. group indicated that he had not even the faintest grasp of the reasons for their objections. It just wasn't on his radar screen.

125 posted on 05/20/2003 9:30:44 AM PDT by Maximilian
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To: Miss Marple; hobbes1; dubyaismypresident; Howlin
don't you see? the ONLY answer is to sit home and signal our displeasure with the administration over this pandering to gays. no matter that the dem nominee will then prevail and the homosexual agenda will become the law of the land, dang it, we will have TAKEN A STAND based on principles, and we will be snug and cozy and smug in our self-satisfaction knowing that we are RIGHT! i suppose another alternative would be to throw our support behind some loser third party candidate, INSTEAD OF staying home, but the result would be the same and we could FEEL GOOD in our SMUGNESS.
126 posted on 05/20/2003 9:31:02 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: theoverseer
In four Gospels - including the Sermon on the Mount - Jesus neglected to mention the subject of homosexuality.

David Horowitz should obviously become a chr*stian.

I don't give a hoot what the Nazarene said about anything. G-D A-MIGHTY in the Seven Noachide Laws, given to 'Adam, to Noach, and finally to all mankind in the Sinai revelation, makes homosexuality a capital offense.

But you know what'll happen. Those Israel-hating "palaeos" will take this endorsement of their beloved J*sus by Horowitz and cite this as evidence of the alleged "promotion" of homosexuality by Torah Judaism. Oh well.

I used to respect David Horowitz. Not any more.

127 posted on 05/20/2003 9:31:15 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (G-d's laws or NONE!!!)
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To: dogbyte12; maximillian
I just don't get how people can read the whole new testament, and all they seem to care about are gays.

I (and I believe most Christians) care about many things in the New Testament far more than the teaching on homosexuality, and would love to spend more time concentrating on those issues. Nevertheless, the homosexual lobby has made acceptence of thier particular perversity into the litmus test for social tolerance in America today, and as such have set themselves up in direct conflict with Christian morals. It is an attack that demands a response

In other words, when they shut up, we'll shut up.

128 posted on 05/20/2003 9:31:39 AM PDT by jboot
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To: BibChr
Yes, right: David Horowitz, widely-regarded expert on Christian fundamentalism and moral issues.

I was wondering about that myself.

If you don't mind, I believe I'll take YOUR characterization of Horowitz as fact; I value YOUR opinion in these matters more than his.

129 posted on 05/20/2003 9:33:13 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: tdadams; .45MAN; AKA Elena; al_c; american colleen; Angelus Errare; Antoninus; aposiopetic; ...
Sorry, but my quick tally of the reples on this thread adds up to Horowitz being a voice of insignificance, just like libertarianism, in this battle against the homo juggernaut.
130 posted on 05/20/2003 9:33:13 AM PDT by Polycarp (the homo issue could be the albatross that "Read my lips" was for Bush's papa -- CKCA'ers, UNITE!!!)
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To: Zack Nguyen
Then why are some verses quoted more than others?
131 posted on 05/20/2003 9:33:15 AM PDT by JmyBryan
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To: BlueNgold
Yet there are non-christians within the party.

Obviously. Apparently, Horowitz is one of them.

So how do you reconcile using the bible as the basis for political ideology?

I hope to make it the singular basis for my ideologies, political and all others.

Regardless, my only and very specific objective was to point out the error in giving the four Gospels and/or the words attributed to Christ more weight than any other part of the bible, as Horowitz does.

132 posted on 05/20/2003 9:33:29 AM PDT by newgeezer (there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. --Rom 13:1b)
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To: Poohbah; hchutch; Miss Marple
"Beginning" to sound like Mr. Sour Grapes?

It's a new disease: Acquired Gary Bauer Syndrome.

133 posted on 05/20/2003 9:37:26 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Tamar1973
Newsflash! David Horowitz is Jewish and does not need to quote or believe Christian theology to be a "good" conservative.

Newsflash for you: one cannot advocate the violation of basic principles of morality and be considered a "good conservative."

Second newsflash: Jews have always detested homosexuality even more than Christians. Ask any Orthodox Jews what is G-d's teaching about homosexuality. You'll soon find out whether one has to "believe Christian theology" in order to oppose the agenda of the militant homosexuals.

134 posted on 05/20/2003 9:37:26 AM PDT by Maximilian
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To: jboot
In other words, when they shut up, we'll shut up.

You could turn the other cheek ;)

Seriously though... I know many mainline people who are not pro-homosexuality, and they don't let it consume their days. They do good works, they love their fellow man, and they lead not through violence of word, but through joy at being touched by the word.

If I was a homosexual, being yelled at by somebody frothing at the mouth, would not be a good selling point to see the errors of my ways. On the other hand, if I saw a happy, compassionate man, with a family, overcome by love for their fellow man, their family, their savior, their God... that is the person I would listen to if I wanted to change my ways.

The homosexual hating crowd, in my mind, does fall into the trap of hating the sinner, and not just the sin. They are filled with hatred, spewing from the depths of their hearts. It is why they are so unsucessful at affecting real change. But yelling epithats on street corners feels better, than compassionately teaching somebody the errors in their ways, with love and goodness in their hearts.

135 posted on 05/20/2003 9:37:28 AM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: Remedy
POST #43

43 - 28 - 76 - Hut Hut Hike! LOL!

I honestly don't know why you even show up for these threads if all you ever do is cut-n-paste the same tired links that no one is going to read. It's almost amuzing.

136 posted on 05/20/2003 9:38:28 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: BlueNgold
Is morality only a theological issue? Just using one's eyeballs, it's easy to conclude that homosexuality is unnatural. Dig a little deeper into science and evolution and the conclusion that it's unnatural will be even sharper.
137 posted on 05/20/2003 9:39:44 AM PDT by RAT Patrol (Congress can give one American a dollar only by first taking it away from another American. -W.W.)
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To: theoverseer
It seems to me Horowitz is advocating tolerance, not approval, and I agree with that. The power of the state and the criminal law should not be used against homosexuality where there is no longer a societal consensus to ban the behavior.

I agree that Christian and Jewish scripture calls on believers not to engage in gay sex. But many secularists (including practicing Christians and Jews of the liberal persuasion) believe those passages are not binding on the faithful. It is not for the Republican Party to resolve the religious war between libs and fundy's, but to put out a clear conservative message and if gays like the message and vote Republican, its just fine with me. Apparently about a third do.

I disagree with Horowitz about a "gay agenda." Its a bad term because it labels all gays, but there is an agenda by the radical gay public interest groups to extend Civil Rights Act protection to gays, allow gay marriage and to use this special status to impose acceptance and secularism, to run practicing Christians from out of the schools, government and public life. Not all gays agree with this agenda.

138 posted on 05/20/2003 9:39:45 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Polycarp
Then you're not counting very well. It looks pretty evenly split to me. But then again, you certainly do have your own way of looking at things.
139 posted on 05/20/2003 9:40:44 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: BlueNgold
No offense intended, but please be careful in assuming what someone else believes, and whether or not those beliefs are acceptable to God. "Judge ye not, lest ye be judged."

This is good advice which I would be wise to heed. My point was the hypocrisy of those who try to use the Bible for their own purposes when they themselves don't believe. That applies to Horowitz for one, and the poster for another.

140 posted on 05/20/2003 9:40:48 AM PDT by Maximilian
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