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THEOLOGY AND SCIENCE WITHOUT DUALISM
Cross Currents, Vol. 48, Issue 1 ^ | Spring 1998 | Elizabeth Newman

Posted on 05/19/2003 9:53:42 AM PDT by betty boop

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A rather long and challenging piece, but incredibly worthwhile if you have the time and interest. Please see the link for the author's footnotes and sources.
1 posted on 05/19/2003 9:53:42 AM PDT by betty boop
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To: unspun; Alamo-Girl; logos; cornelis; r9etb; William Terrell; Hank Kerchief; beckett; Diamond; ...
FYI, here's a real beauty of an essay that unspun found. Lots to chew on here -- if you have the time and interest.
2 posted on 05/19/2003 9:57:16 AM PDT by betty boop
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To: betty boop; fortheDeclaration; Commander8; editor-surveyor; ksen; Gal.5:1; Alamo-Girl
Thanks for the article, BP

'Philosophical'......'ethics'....

:-(

(Romans 10:17)

Maranatha!
:-)

3 posted on 05/19/2003 10:03:03 AM PDT by maestro
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To: betty boop
Oh-oh. Now I'll have to read it more thoroughly.
4 posted on 05/19/2003 10:14:47 AM PDT by unspun ("Do everything in love.")
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To: general_re
In his hopes of finding a new myth that is not "somebody's" but could be "everybody's," Rue is in fact reenacting the mythos of modernity

What say, 2 points for this höflich lumpenschlumper?

5 posted on 05/19/2003 10:24:52 AM PDT by cornelis
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To: maestro
Nice essay on a belief held since the early 1900 by Science of Mind New Thought seekers. There is no duality only the One Mind of God.
6 posted on 05/19/2003 10:31:42 AM PDT by drdemars
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To: betty boop
Thanks for the ping -- I don't have time at the moment to do more than scan the first part, but this jumped out at me:

... a much criticized response to this question has been to assume a "godlike" position in which all knowledge is regarded as an accomplished fact.

It occurs to me that objectivists pretty much have to assume this to be the case, in the sense that their principles supposedly are, in and of themselves. (Theists, too, assume this....)

7 posted on 05/19/2003 10:34:00 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: betty boop; maestro
Thank y'all so much for the heads up! I look forward to pondering this is much detail. Hugs!
8 posted on 05/19/2003 10:35:31 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop
Worthy considerations here.

For adjustments, I suggest that a distinction be made between "mythos" and "history" Likewise between "concept" and "covenant." A forgivable slip, for sure. Also, a further elucidation of the kinds of dualisms at play to prevent the reponse, There is no duality .

The author fails to prevent that red herring.

9 posted on 05/19/2003 10:37:25 AM PDT by cornelis
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To: r9etb
Theists, too, assume this....

All too often, and yet no better substitute has been found for a dopamine high. An undeniable experience. Try it, you'll love it.

10 posted on 05/19/2003 10:39:17 AM PDT by cornelis
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To: cornelis
???
11 posted on 05/19/2003 10:53:29 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: cornelis
You're doing well, so far, today. ;-`
12 posted on 05/19/2003 10:55:42 AM PDT by unspun ("Do everything in love.")
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To: unspun
???
13 posted on 05/19/2003 11:01:07 AM PDT by cornelis
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To: betty boop
There is nothing new in the world - maybe someday the author will discover Zen.
14 posted on 05/19/2003 11:10:18 AM PDT by Humvee
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To: cornelis
just a friendly nudge
15 posted on 05/19/2003 11:14:37 AM PDT by unspun ("Do everything in love.")
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To: Humvee
There is nothing new in the world - maybe someday the author will discover Zen.

I expect she's seen it.

16 posted on 05/19/2003 11:15:37 AM PDT by unspun ("Do everything in love.")
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To: drdemars
Ah but there is the ultimate duality which the Bible makes clear...the Creator/creature distinction. God's creation is not God.
17 posted on 05/19/2003 11:26:13 AM PDT by aardvark1
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Plus, there are ways we must understand how the creature-Creator distinction is not an "ultimate duality" in the Christian religion. Again, this notion of duality comes in many forms. Every distinction as a distinction may appear as two things related. But it takes a second step in thought to make that relation a dualism. N'est pas?
18 posted on 05/19/2003 11:36:34 AM PDT by cornelis
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For adjustments, I suggest that a distinction be made between "mythos" and "history" Likewise between "concept" and "covenant."

Great call, cornelis. Shall we take a stab at elucidating the distinctions to be observed with respect to these pairings? Please do correct me if you think I've come up short.

Mythos is a "place-bound" (or tradition-bound) story that gives man his own sense of place in the world. It is not the result of a private act, but of shared, lived understandings held in common with other members of the community of which we feel ourselves to be members. In this sense, "myth" is not meant to denote the idea of "fiction" or "superstition" or anything of that sort. As Newman demonstrates, every man has a myth whether or not he is aware of it. Even scientists, objectivists, deconstructionists, and gnostics. Its function is primarily social.

History is the study of the succession of human events that have occurred in the past, as best as they can be reconstructed and described. Unlike the myth, a construction of history is typically a private act, but one which is not directly concerned with the historian's particular place in the world.

A concept is an abstract or "generic" idea generalized from particular experience of the world, as conceived and held in the mind. We might say is is an abstraction from experience, and thus usually a reduction of it.

A covenant is a formal, solemn, and binding agreement between two or more parties promising or pledging the performance of some action. Typically, it involves promises of mutual performance to be carried out by the parties concerned.

(Please feel free to improve on my humble effort here, cornelis.)

As for dualism, my view is probably pretty childish. I'd have to explain it thusly: Dualism is the belief that the universe exists quite independently of our participation in it; that its existence is somehow "final" and "complete"; that it is somehow "corrupt," threatening, and dangerous to us. It's putative "imperfection" is a rebuke to us, and must be "overcome," if man is to be "saved."

A fuller definition would take further meditation -- which I can't do right now, for I've just been handed new a project to work on (I'm at work....) Maybe later!

Meanwhile, please share your thoughts?

19 posted on 05/19/2003 12:21:23 PM PDT by betty boop
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To: betty boop
YEC read later
20 posted on 05/19/2003 12:21:47 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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