[Luis Gonzalez]

"I didn't "decide" that SSAD is a destructive and self-destructive disorder. Mankind *observed* those facts over at least a couple of millennia."

A good portion of mankind, and a substantial portion of Americans, disagree with you. Some of us, particularly those of us who are conservative by nature, do not believe that the government has the right to enact laws to protect us against ourselves.

Why would you cut out the portion of the Declaration of Independence where the Founders established the fact that all men are created equal?

Could it be because you are arguing that some are not?

I missed nothing from that document, you missed much.

Governments are instituted among men to protect the rights of the INDIVIDUALS.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

Governments are set in place to secure the Liberties of the people from whom they derive their power. And NOWHERE on that document does it say one single word about the rights of a society. It talks about the right of the PEOPLE to LIFE, LIBERTY, AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.

"...if the government is allowed under the Constitution to regulate something like murder, then it is allowed to regulate *any* behavior that our representatives decide should be criminal."

That's about a scary a statement as I have ever seen.

It's also a blatant lie.

"What happens now is one of two things--either you provide no links, and the fellow declares victory on the grounds that you have no support..."

In other words, you have nothing to substantiate your claim of some kind of "agenda" existing anywhere other than in your mind.

[dsc]

“A good portion of mankind, and a substantial portion of Americans, disagree with you.”

As the result of a propaganda campaign. I and many others watched it happen. These myths you believe were created only recently, and will not long endure.

“Some of us, particularly those of us who are conservative by nature, do not believe that the government has the right to enact laws to protect us against ourselves.”

This is not a matter of “protecting us against ourselves.” It’s a matter of protecting ourselves, and particularly the most vulnerable among us, from the disordered behavior of individuals who suffer from a psychosexual malady.

“Why would you cut out the portion of the Declaration of Independence where the Founders established the fact that all men are created equal?”

Oh, now that’s a really boneheaded argument. We’re not talking about man’s intrinsic equality before God and the equality before the law that flows from that. We’re talking about mental disorder and the behavior that arises therefrom.

Far from holding that all behavior is morally equivalent, Jefferson himself called for the death penalty for sodomy in a code of laws he drafted.

“Could it be because you are arguing that some are not?”

No, the problem here is that you are wrongly conflating disorder and disordered behavior with race and other accidents of birth. Are you really unable to discern the difference between passing a law prohibiting sodomy and passing a law prohibiting one from being a Negro?

“I missed nothing from that document”

Dewd, you appear to have misunderstood everything you read.

“And NOWHERE on that document does it say one single word about the rights of a society.”

I spoke of society’s right to pass laws. Society is composed of individuals. Try to figure it out from there.

"That's about a scary a statement as I have ever seen.”

What part of “as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness" don’t you get?

We, as a society, can criminalize or legalize anything we please, except for such things as may be expressly prohibited by the constitution. Even then, we can amend the constitution. Good grief, baby killing is legal. And there is nothing in the Constitution preventing us from either criminalizing chocolate chip cookies or legalizing incestuous child molesting.

“In other words, you have nothing to substantiate your claim of some kind of "agenda" existing anywhere other than in your mind.”

Can I call’em, or what?

I may actually post a link or two, just to see him bear out the second part of my prediction—which he will, despite this clear warning.