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"As objectionable as the photos in some pro-life rallies are to people..there is a distinct reason for them being displayed."

And that is the same reason for informing people about the practices of SSAD sufferers.

"It is to discredit the claims that a fetus is not a baby and that abortion is NOT taking a human life."

And in the case of SSAD, it is to discredit claims that their practices are normal, healthy, and equivalent in every way to normal heterosexual behavior.

"As shocking and repulsive these photos are, they very effectively serve the purpose of exposing exactly what abortion is about."

And as shocking as some descriptions are, they very effectively serve the purpose of exposing exactly what SSAD is about.

"There is however no such public debate over what fisting is, or what drinking urine means etc etc."

It's not a question of what it is, but a question of those practices occurring at all, and with what frequency. When I was younger, it would never have occurred to me--it never did occur to me--that people did those things, or many other things common among SSAD sufferers.

In college, I accepted the PC position on both baby-killing and SSAD without much thought, both because I had no information to fuel rigorous thought and because nobody was demanding that I think about the subjects.

The PC types like to discourage rigourous thought on these subjects. "Nothing to think about here, folks, just accept what we say and move on."

The purpose of the abortion photographs and the descriptions of SSAD alike is to say, "Woah. Don't 'move on.' There *is* something to think about here."

"I don't need your charity"

I don't do a very good job of trying to think the best of everyone, but I have realized the worth of trying.

"I am quite familiar, all the Christian objections to homosexuality from a Biblical point of view and I agree with them 100%."

That's good. We're in agreement there.

"I know the difference between genuine moral convictions vs personal hatred, bigotry and hypocrisy."

I have no idea how well you do with that on a general basis, but in this case you have made a mistake. Further, attributing "hatred" to others on such flimsy grounds seems to me lacking in the Christian virtue of charity. And that's something I'm familiar with, as I so often lack it myself.

I personally believe that, if Satan did not introduce homoseuxality to mankind, he at least uses the issue to the great detriment of our souls. When I look at a pervofascist activist, therefore, I do feel anger, and sometimes even hatred. But that is directed at their cause and the dark one behind it.

Being human, sometimes those feelings spill over onto the person agitating for that cause, but when I reflect and pray on it, I can see the separate issues of the man, whom God loves as much as he loves me, and the cause he so mistakenly espouses.

You are making far too many assumptions about those who oppose the legitimization of SSAD more strongly than you do.

"I have never once heard a truly committed Christian address the issue of homosexual sin (or any other sexual sin for that matter) by making repeated graphic descriptions of every vulgar and obscene act they imagine people engaging in."

Well, I consider myself to be a committed Christian--and pray that I'm not flattering myself--and I will use graphic descriptions in response to an argument that homosexual practices are normal and healthy. I regret that the people who hear these descriptions are often sickened by them, but reflect that they are sickened by the very thing they are arguing is normal and healthy. It has happened that such descriptions have prompted deeper, fuller reflection on the matter in (now former) supporters of the pervofascist agenda.

"IMHO those who do so are deeply disturbed individuals with no sense of perspective on issues of holiness or morality."

YHO is mistaken.

Jorge "As objectionable as the photos in some pro-life rallies are to people..there is a distinct reason for them being displayed.It is to discredit the claims that a fetus is not a baby and that abortion is NOT taking a human life."

And in the case of SSAD, it is to discredit claims that their practices are normal, healthy, and equivalent in every way to normal heterosexual behavior.

Right. People are too stupid to know that homosexual relations are not necessarily the equivalent of heterosexual behavior.
This is a joke right?

And as far as the graphic descriptions of perverted sexual behaviors posted by some...to, as you say "discredit claims that they are normal"...the fact is most of them are practiced by heterosexuals as well.

Anyone knows that if you type any of these discriptions into a search engine..you will come up with far more heterosexual web sites, than homosexual ones.

So please don't tell me about this need to make heterosexuals aware of what some homosexuals do. They are quite aware because many of these heterosexuals engage in the same acts.

"There is however no such public debate over what fisting is, or what drinking urine means etc etc."

It's not a question of what it is, but a question of those practices occurring at all, and with what frequency. When I was younger, it would never have occurred to me--it never did occur to me--that people did those things, or many other things common among SSAD sufferers.

When you were "younger"?
Are you arguing that we should supply young people with graphic descriptions of perverse sexual acts...so they can be aware of them?

In any case, when they get older they will probably become aware that some people engage in these acts..and unlike yourself, they will know that they are not just homosexuals.

"I know the difference between genuine moral convictions vs personal hatred, bigotry and hypocrisy."

I have no idea how well you do with that on a general basis, but in this case you have made a mistake.

In what case? Please specify.

I am quite sure that I can document the hatred, bigotry and hypocrisy of those examples I am refering to.

Examples that go far beyond any normal Christian conviction against sexual immorality.

Further, attributing "hatred" to others on such flimsy grounds seems to me lacking in the Christian virtue of charity. And that's something I'm familiar with, as I so often lack it myself.

Good for you.

Why can't you observe this "lack of Christian virtue of charity" in the sort of bigoted, homphobic hatred I am refering to?

I understand completely that Christian moral convictions would necessarily make one opposed to homosexuality..as well as adultery and fornication.

It is precisely the complete lack of "charity" these individuals exhibit towards homosexuals...that convinces me their homophobia has less to do with moral convictions of right and wrong....and more to do with personal hatred and bigotry.