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"Answer the question."

The question doesn't deserve an answer, as has been amply demonstrated in several posts. It is a red herring, a stalking horse, a straw man, a time-wasting irrelevancy.

"The actual issue beoing discussed is whether there should be laws against homosexual sodomy"

The actual issue being discussed was the efforts of pervofascist activists to use the power of law to force access to the objects of their disordered lusts.

"acts are criminalized when the commission af that act violates one person's rights in one way or another."

That is a premise that you are accepting as a self-evident truth. However, I and many others believe that we may consider criminalizing acts if they are destructive of some common good. Of course, acts that are destructive of the common weal violate the rights of everyone, not just "one person."

"There a sea of difference"

Actually, there isn't, but one must be willing to look past a single straw man argument to see the interconnectedness.

When you legalize homosexual activity, you legitimize it. When you legitimize it, you undercut your moral authority to oppose the rest of the pervofascist agenda.

"What you will not understand"

Don't come the rational pedant with me, matey. You're the one whose mind is closed.

"is that criminalizing sodomy based on little more than your feelings on the subject"

And there's the demonstration. There are many good and sufficient reasons to criminalize homosexual acts, but you can't even allow that line of reasoning to impinge upon your consciousness. Instead, you close your mind to their existence and pretend that your opponents are motivated by "little more than (their) feelings." For shame.

"will simply add fuel to the activist agenda."

The pervofascist agenda will only be defeated by opposing it; never by appeasing the disordered individuals who promote it.

"Nothing you can do has the power to overcome an American citizen's rights under the Constitution"

There is no Constitutional right to engage in homosexual acts. Or in incest, adultery, or even consensual fornication, and nothing you can do has the power to create one.

"Concentrate on the things that matter"

Everything matters that tends toward a conclusion that there is nothing wrong with committing homosexual acts.

"and not on the no-win fights."

No-win's butt. My sons will live to see homosexual acts illegal in all 50 states.

"If you say "no" to any sexual education beingh taught in school then you will defeat the "gay" lobby demanding that homosexual sex be taught alongside heterosexual sex, without providing them with the strawman of "discrimination"."

Utter buncombe. They sneak it in disguised as "diversity," "tolerance," or "AIDS awareness."

"That's just one example out of many."

Just one of the many errors in reasoning you are making.

That is a premise that you are accepting as a self-evident truth. However, I and many others believe that we may consider criminalizing acts if they are destructive of some common good. Of course, acts that are destructive of the common weal violate the rights of everyone, not just "one person."

The correct concept here, and I believe this is the way the Bible portrays it, is one of a cancer. You are successful in treating a cancer if you remove it before it actually starts to harm your body. If you discover a tumor while it is doing no harm to you you have the best chance of discovery. If you wait until it actually does harm your chances of success are very small.

Sin is a cancer, and individual sins corrupt an entire society. If you wait until the society is corrupt, it is too late. Just look at the "greed" of the 1980s and they way it actually hurt thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, when the dot-com bubble burst. Individual sins practiced privately - huge social cost.

The tightrope we walk is understanding which of these we can impact by public policy and law, and which we can't.

Homosexual activity is not any near the tightrope. It is way off to the left. That's why it has been illegal in nearly every society in the history of mankind. It is dangerous to let people continue in that sin, even privately. It eventually becomes public and harms a society. Why? That's philosophizing, but if you ask me, it's because those who hate themselves must look outside themselves for acceptance. At least that's probably the way the Act-Up movement started.

On a related note, I have discovered that there are many Yahoo clubs devoted to encouraging people to get fat. I mean chearleeding for people who gain over 300 pounds. Can you see any reason for that? I can only see the reason I noted in the previous paragraph.

Shalom.