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To: ArGee
It's actually you that are dancing around in circles here, trying to get the answer that you are looking for, rather than the answer that I am giving you.

I am asking no one to change their beliefs, you however, are trying to use the force of government to implement your religious beliefs on others and deny them theirs. They don't believe they are doing anything wrong.

I don't agree with them in that they are not doing anything wrong, as I believe that the practice of homosexuality is a sin.

However, I believe that this sin is punishable by G*d, but I don't believe that He needs your help policing His laws.

I am questioning the use of government to enforce your morality under our Constitution.

I will make the eaxct same argument, holding the Constitition in my hands, the day that (G*d forbid) we arrive at a Muslim majority in this nation who wishes to implement the Shariah.

Vaya con Dios.

204 posted on 05/21/2003 11:33:22 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (The Ever So Humble Banana Republican)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
I am questioning the use of government to enforce your morality under our Constitution.

If you will review our previous conversations, and that SASU Q&A I published, you will see that I would be happy to leave the whole issue of the homoerotically oriented alone if they would just shut up and go home. IT's when they try to force their way into the Boy Scouts (remember the topic of the thread here?) or the schools or wherever else, demanding that their sickness be treated as normal, that I respond.

And yes, I believe their sickness should be dealt with, as I believe the sickness of schizophrenics should be dealt with.

Shalom.

205 posted on 05/21/2003 11:37:31 AM PDT by ArGee (I did not come through fire and death to bandy crooked words with a serving-man... - Gandalf)
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To: Luis Gonzalez; ArGee

Of course that is another patently absurd notion you are trying to advance. Supposedly, the use of laws to discourage thievery somehow forces beliefs upon those who honestly believe that stealing is an integral part of survival and teaches important lessons in non-attachment to worldly goods. An angel of death honestly believes she is liberating souls by murdering people. And who are we to force our beliefs onto others, you ask?!

No one is forcing beliefs onto anyone else, Luis. We are encouraging and discouraging actions, which is our right as members of society. What you meant to say is that 'No one ought to impose their values upon anyone else.' But we all impose our values upon each other all the time. The thieves and murderers impose their values onto their victims, as in turn do the general population when they prosecute them for their actions (not for their beliefs); the homosexual activists try to impose their values upon everyone else, as do their moral-liberal supporters, enablers, and excusers.

Please let us know when you get a chance to strike out those pesky words in the Preamble of the Declaration of Independence about unalienable rights, as then your leaky arguments might hold more water.

206 posted on 05/21/2003 12:05:09 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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