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To: Cultural Jihad
Dude, sexually transmitted diseases know no gender, and are not gender-specific. All you are saying is that they get the same diseases that we get.

Get a grip.

I don't have a problem with religious morality, until you start demanding the government to govern based on religious morality.

To ask the government to do that, is to violate the First Amendment of the Constitution.

154 posted on 05/20/2003 2:07:14 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (The Ever So Humble Banana Republican)
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To: Luis Gonzalez; ArGee; Taiwan Bocks

Of course, you have that backwards. To prohibit laws based upon the kindness of morality is to infringe on the 1st Amendment rights of those who choose to practice their religion, an important part of which is in working to transform the world to conform it with the will of God. While Jehovah's Witnesses may elect to refrain from voting or sitting on juries, the irreligious, the socialists, the humanists, the atheists, and the libertines will just have to learn to lump it if we are to have a Free Republic. Otherwise, you would be forced to try to explain how a corrupt people would ever want to install non-corrupt leaders into high office.

"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other." -John Adams, Oct. 11, 1798 Address to the military

"Public virtue cannot exist in a nation without private virtue, and public virtue is the only foundation of republics." -John Adams

"God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure if we have removed their only firm basis: a conviction in the minds of men that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever." -Thomas Jefferson

"We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." -James Madison

"A general dissolution of the principles and manners will more surely overthrow the liberties of America than the whole force of the common enemy.... While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but once they lose their virtue, they will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader.... If virtue and knowledge are diffused among the people, they will never be enslaved. This will be their great security." -Samuel Adams

"[N]either the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt. He therefore is the truest friend of the liberty of his country who tries most to promote its virtue, and who, so far as his power and influence extend, will not suffer a man to be chosen onto any office of power and trust who is not a wise and virtuous man." -Samuel Adams

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom...go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels nor arms. May your chains set lightly upon you and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." -Samuel Adams

"Those people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants." -William Penn

"Bad men cannot make good citizens. It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains. A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, is incompatible with freedom. No free government, or the blessings of liberty, can be preserved to any people but by a firm adherence to justice, moderation, temperance, frugality, and virtue; and by a frequent recurrence to fundamental principles." -Patrick Henry

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined," -Patrick Henry

"Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed, if so celestial an article as Freedom should not be highly rated." -Thomas Paine; 1776

"[I]f we and our posterity reject religious instruction and authority, violate the rules of eternal justice, trifle with the injunctions of morality, and recklessly destroy the political constitution which holds us together, no man can tell how sudden a catastrophe may overwhelm us, that shall bury all our glory in profound obscurity." -Daniel Webster

"No country upon earth ever had it more in its power to attain blessings. Much to be regretted indeed would it be, were we to depart from the road which Providence has pointed us to, so plainly; I cannot believe it will ever come to pass. The Great Governor of the Universe has led us too long and too far to forsake us in the midst of it. We may, now and then, get bewildered; but I hope and trust that there is good sense and virtue enough left to recover the right path. " -George Washington


157 posted on 05/20/2003 5:46:34 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Luis Gonzalez
"sexually transmitted diseases know no gender, and are not gender-specific. All you are saying is that they get the same diseases that we get."

Actually, there are physiological reasons that anal intercourse is a much more efficient route for AIDS infection than normal or oral intercourse.

Transmission of AIDS from woman to man through normal intercourse is extremely rare. This is why that "explosion of AIDS among heterosexuals" that the pervofascists have been predicting for almost 20 years has yet to occur.

(And before somebody mentions "Africa," (a) heterosexual anal intercourse has been a means of birth control there forever; and (b) the vast majority of the AIDS cases in Africa are diagnosed without ever performing a blood test, based solely on symptoms.)

Further, the promiscuity, heedlessness, and self-destructive impulses of SSAD sufferers result in more transmission of STDs among them than among any other group.
159 posted on 05/20/2003 6:27:50 PM PDT by dsc
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To: Luis Gonzalez
I don't have a problem with religious morality, until you start demanding the government to govern based on religious morality.

Are you making a distinction between religious morality and non-religious morality?

Exactly what role do you advocate people of faith taking in the American Governmental Process? Or are you suggesting that people of faith should bow out?

Shalom.

173 posted on 05/21/2003 6:16:01 AM PDT by ArGee (I did not come through fire and death to bandy crooked words with a serving-man... - Gandalf)
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