The United Way's Boy Scout Fetish

FrontPageMagazine.com ^ | May 19, 2003 | Michael Reagan

[Taiwan Bocks]

I am a Christian first and an American second.

As such it is important to sound off against the homosexual agenda, which is winning.

Check your stats on queers, especially interesting is how few homos have not been molested as children.

Maybe normal people molest kids, and sometimes there is lightning on clear days too.

And check the stats on Scout troup leaders busted for molesting later confessing to homosexuality.

Queers are equal to heterosexuals in God's sight but the sin of sodomy is detestable and must be hated as evil by His Children.

[ArGee]

Jesus didn't talk about things that were simply unspeakable and anybody who had any sense knew it.

If there had been homosexuals doing those unspakable things in "pride" parades or attempting to teach them to children in the schools, I believe Jesus would have spoken.

Until we see Him on That Day we may have to agree to disagree on this.

I gave you Matthew 23 as an example that Jesus didn't pull any punches when necessary. I never suggested He was discussing sex.

Shalom.

[ArGee]

"Greed" was the word selected by leftists to malign the entrepreneurial spirit and ambition unleashed by greater liberty.

It's not 100% true. I do believe in deregulation to a point, but only of a moral society. When the leaders only care about the material, then they must be regulated out the wazoo, or our capitalistic system will fail. Leaders who understand their social responsibility and are willing to (and are allowed to) make it a part of their capitalistic enterprise do not need much regulation and will ensure our economy lasts for a long time.

Shalom.

[ArGee]

You know what words mean. Attempting to discredit me is a waste of time.

But it is your best argument since you have no other.

Shalom.

[dsc]

"When the leaders only care about the material, then they must be regulated out the wazoo, or our capitalistic system will fail."

The regulations we're beset by don't apply to the leaders. Congress isn't even bound by their own laws regarding treatment of employees.

The thing to do about leaders is not to encrust the body politic with thousands of regulations, but simply to limit their authority. As the US Constitution did, before it was wadded up and thrown in the trash.

Even Hayek agreed that there's a proper role for government to play in regulation of commerce, but thanks in large part to "enabling acts" that allow unelected bureaucrats to publish entire libraries of regulations, things are way out of hand.

[Jorge]

"Jesus didn't talk about things that were simply unspeakable and anybody who had any sense knew it."

If there had been homosexuals doing those unspakable things in "pride" parades or attempting to teach them to children in the schools, I believe Jesus would have spoken. Until we see Him on That Day we may have to agree to disagree on this.

Let me clarify myself.
I don't think there is any doubt as to where Jesus stood on the issue of homosexuality. He clearly would call it sin.

My point is that Jesus did not...nor would feel the need to preach in graphic detail about activities such as "fisting", "fudge-packing", "drinking urine" etc. etc. which some people on these boards seem obsessed with posting about.
That is what my objection is to.

[ArGee]

Even Hayek agreed that there's a proper role for government to play in regulation of commerce, but thanks in large part to "enabling acts" that allow unelected bureaucrats to publish entire libraries of regulations, things are way out of hand.

I would agree that regulation is not right now, but regulation is still an important government function. I wasn't speaking of governmental leaders but business leaders. There have always been moral business leaders who would work to grow their companies in a way that did minimal damage to the economy, supported their local community, etc. There have also always been business leaders who could care less how much they pollute rivers, etc. as long as the repurcussions don't hit on their watch.

I don't know that our Western moral climate has ever been sufficient to regulate "greed." There is a reasonable role for government - although it is important to ensure government doesn't go too far.

Shalom.

[ArGee]

My point is that Jesus did not...nor would feel the need to

You have your opinions on this subject, I have mine. Until we meet up with Him on That Day we will have to agree to disagree.

Personally I think he would be disappointed that things have come to the pass where he did need to discuss them, but he would not shy away from it.

Shalom.

[dsc]

"I don't know that our Western moral climate has ever been sufficient to regulate "greed." There is a reasonable role for government - although it is important to ensure government doesn't go too far."

Until you can come up with a reliable, foolproof way to distinguish between greed and ambition, I think we'd do well to reflect that it is people who are trying to take money that provide other people with jobs.

[ArGee]

Until you can come up with a reliable, foolproof way to distinguish between greed and ambition,

Reliable and foolproof? Hardly. But there are some indicators. Those who polluted rivers because it would be too expensive to clean up the waste might be considered "greedy." Those who hid their debts with phony partnerships to drive up their stock prices when they weren't making money (e.g. Enron) might be considered "greedy."

Shalom.

[dsc]

"Those who polluted rivers because it would be too expensive to clean up the waste might be considered "greedy."

Perhaps, but that ignores the historical context. Dumping waste in rivers was long an accepted practice. Then, too, the question of whether they were greedy would also depend on the magnitude of the relative cost to the company. If they were scrabbling to survive, I don't think the word greedy would apply.

I'd rather put up with some dirty rivers than to have an economy such as that of, for instance, the Philippines. I like to swim, fish, go boating, etc., but none of that matters when you're faced with starvation and selling your daughters into brothels.

"Those who hid their debts with phony partnerships to drive up their stock prices when they weren't making money (e.g. Enron) might be considered "greedy."

Perhaps, but it seems to me that the central problem there was not greed, but dishonesty. If they had made the same amount of money honestly, I wouldn't call them greedy.

It is the profit motive that makes an economy work. The desire for profit is the fuel, the life's blood, without which there is no creation of wealth. (And I refer to the process of making the pie bigger, of lifting all boats, not of dipping into other people's pockets.)

[dsc]

I see in my earlier note that I wrote "take money" when I meant "make money." A very unfortunate slip of the finger.

[ArGee]

We've gone way off topic. The debate over whether dishonesty or greed is the root cause will have to wait for another thread. I vote we go back to focusing on perversion.

Shalom.

[AdamSelene235]

You'll have to ask Ryan White whether he agrees with you or not.

Ryan White died of liver failure and internal bleeding, conditions that typically result from hemophilia itself.

He was recklessly poisioned with AZT, a DNA chain terminator now widely understood to have no benefit to AIDS patients.

Check out the article in my links entitled, "The Medical Establishment vs. The Truth".

[AdamSelene235]

You are free to image there are supposed logical flaws in the argument for religious morality. In fact, that's the way it's built, to allow for a leap of faith.

Please elaborate.