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Yes, we're in big trouble, but I find that organizations like CATIC and Homeland Security are on my side, while ANSWER is on the other side.

At this point I would argue for 2nd amendment rights reform while continuing to allow intelligence gathering. What does Mossad do within Israel?

I'm going to hazzard that we have been too tolerant of openly anti-American elements in our society precisely because we don't want to repeat the mistakes of the 1950s; we even fear going too far and being labeled fascist. But as with Israel, this could be our undoing.

We must defend ourselves. The anti-terror and law-enforcement orgs are on our side. In the case of laws breaking the 2nd amendment, they may be misguided (granting interviews to the media where they criticize hicap mags that "kill cops," etc...) but they're only doing their jobs -- trying to please politicians they "protect."

I don't think I fully understood what you were saying, so I continued to try to define my point of view. We definitely agree on the 2nd amendment issue! Automatics for any law-abiding citizen, and training too. Just think what a big terrorist attack will do to law and order; the protests (which included bolts and rocks being thrown at the police) were terrifying. It could get much worse.

At this point I would argue for 2nd amendment rights reform while continuing to allow intelligence gathering. What does Mossad do within Israel?

I agree with you, but am very worried when the "adults in charge" say it is easy to blur the lines. Better we put up with the wacko's ranting and raving in the streets, than start branding those we do not like as terrorists. Now a days that label has a whole lot more power than should ever be applied to American Citizens.

As for what Israel does, they arm their citizens with fully automatic weapons down to pistols. That is why when you hear of a shooting incident in the middle of the city it is always over in minutes with little loss of life. The Arabs switched to bombs because the populace is armed. We do not get the drawn out police parades like Colombine here. The best thing we could do to protect our citizens is arm them with open carry laws.

My fear is not of the Conservative government, but of the new police powers the liberals will have if the vote switches their way again. America will no longer be a nice place if that happens.