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To: bigfootbob
Just the opposite. I see that picture as a liberal attempt to make a fool look worse than his employer. The NYT suck and conservatives know it, this picture IMHO, is designed to whip up the nico-nazi's that consider the NYT the bible of daily record. Make Blair as unlikeable as possible to spare the ones higher up the food chain.

My moralistic, Bible Belt, and decidedly non-libertarian view of tobacco and smoking (to both of which I am adamantly opposed and which I hope to see eventually outlawed as moral vices and not for health reasons) are well known on this forum, as is my lonely fight against making a pro-tobacco position an "essential" of conservative ideology (I even reject the prevalent belief that pro-smoking sentiment is the "politically correct" conservative position). My enemies on this issue know my position just as I know theirs and I have no intention of being dragged into another fracas over tobacco (in which my fellow-anti-smoking conservatives, in the Bible Belt and elsewhere, have decided to leave me unsupported). I will insist again that you pro-smokers have no right to run the conservative movement or to make pro-smoking a plank of the conservative platform. That is my position and I am not going to repeat endlessly to a series of personal attacks.

And to you extremely nasty tempered pro-smokers out there who will now doubtless be posting personal attacks on me for the rest of the night, I have a preemptive response: go to freaking h*ll. Please let that suffice and allow me to get back to other issues.

136 posted on 05/18/2003 4:04:59 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (G-d's laws or NONE!!!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
"....I have a preemptive response: go to freaking h*ll."

Lead on....PUTZ.

142 posted on 05/18/2003 4:25:18 PM PDT by S.O.S121.500 (Do you have a license for your stupidity?)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
1st of all, I am a lifelong non-smoker and I don't have any agenda. I do comment when I see something that attempts to make an issue of smoking, drinking, etc. for political means. That was the case here. You're deluding yourself if you refuse to acknowledge a damage control attempt by the NYT heirarchy.

2nd, if you're so worried about getting flamed by so-called mean spirited pro-smokers, then don't post to these topics, dumb a$$. Have a good evening.
147 posted on 05/18/2003 5:19:34 PM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Lileks on NYT: The Moose is the real story The Bleat (Lileks blog) ^ | 05/19/2003 | James Lileks

Posted on 05/19/2003 7:30 AM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative

I don’t give a tinker’s fig about Jayson Blair anymore. It doesn’t tell me anything about the culture of the Times I didn’t suspect already. But there are two ancillary issues that bear on the nature of modern culture. "One: the cigarette is now a symbol of shadiness and moral dissolution. Newsweek is running a cover story that features the Confabulator of Longacre Square, and he’s smoking a cigarette. Well, say no more. The guy smokes. What else do you need to know? In a few years the demonization of smoking will be so complete that a movie set in WW2 will feature a chain-smoking Hitler and an abstemious Churchill, just to telegraph to the audience who’s naughty and who’s nice."

Two: adults no longer run the Times. To me the most interesting revelation of l’affair Blair hasn’t been the way a rising star was coddled and cosseted; it’s the Moose. The Beanbag Moose. As I understand the story, some of the Timespersons were on a retreat in a rural conference center. During one of the meetings, a moose wandered into the grounds, and everyone watched him out the window - but no one mentioned him, because it wasn’t germane to the subject of the meeting. This story has become Legend, and has taken on the form of a Beanie Baby, come to enlighten those of us who see the Moose but dare not speak His name. It’s a metaphor, you see. A metaphor for unnoticed mooses. (Anyone who's ever been on one of these retreats knows exactly what would have happened if you'd interrupted a meeting on synergistic strategies to say "hey, how come no one's talking about that big moose out there?" Four words: Monday morning drug test.) Now at the Times if you wish you cut to the quick, you place on the table your company-issued beanbag herbivore to symbolize your desire to speak freely.

Grown-ups do not behave this way. Unless they are running a day care. It’s a cute anecdote for a retreat, but applied to the real world, to the newsroom, is a sign of how infantile management theory has become. The introduction of the moose splits the staff into two groups: the brown-nosers who put the moose on top of their computer monitor and give it seasonal decorations, and the cynics who stuff the damn thing in their bottom drawer next to the employee manual, the healthcare benefits package, and the rest of the crap the company expects you to read. They look at that moose, and think: if I get fired tomorrow, they’ll ask for the moose back. It’s their moose. It ain’t mine. I put this moose up on eBay, I’m going to be covering Trenton zoning meetings for the next ten years. Screw the moose.

There’s probably a secret Times subculture of Moose Abuse. No doubt the Moose has been photographed in a stripper’s cleavage, face down on a bar in a puddle of New Amsterdam lager, sitting in Thompkins Square with an anarchist’s A photoshopped on his chest, standing outside the building with a cigarette in his mouth.

This is what I was talking about yesterday with the exception of Chief Moose. I have an opinion of him also, since I do business in Portland, Oregon where he worked before moving East. This guy hit the nail on the head about him also. I was prescient, huh?

159 posted on 05/19/2003 8:23:36 AM PDT by bigfootbob
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