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Muslims Stress Abrahamic Character of America
islam online ^ | 5/17/03

Posted on 05/17/2003 8:08:53 PM PDT by knak

WASHINGTON (IslamOnline.net) – A host of leading Muslim organizations in the U.S. are orchestrating a campaign to replace the "Judeo-Christian" phrase in describing the values and character that define the U.S. with a one that would not exclude its more than 8 million Muslim population, reported the Newhouse News Service.

The change campaigners, including the Council on American-Islamic Relations, American Muslim Alliance, the Muslim American Society and the American Muslim Council, stress it is high time for Americans to stop using the outdated phrase and replace it with "Judeo-Christian-Islamic" or "Abrahamic," in reference to Abraham (Ibrahim), the patriarch held in common by the three monotheistic religions.

Dr. Agha K. Saeed, founder and chairman of the American Muslim Alliance, a Fremont-based political group, underlined that "the new language should be used in all venues where we normally talk about Judeo-Christian values, starting with the media, academia, statements by politicians and comments made in churches, synagogues and other places."

U.S. President George W. Bush is always quick to add "mosques," when he mentions "churches and synagogues."

"These are not just let's-make-you-feel-good words," he said, asserting that "these are words that define how we're related to each other."

Dr. Zahid Bukhari, vice president of the Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA), says that an inclusive change of language could alter the perception that the U.S. as a Christian country is hell-bent on dominating Muslims in a modern-day crusade.

Sharifa Alkhateeb, president of the Washington-based Muslim Education Council, is quick to assert, "What we call Western culture is in fact based on Muslim Middle East culture, but the average American doesn't know that."

"We believe in heaven and hell, in doing good deeds, in following the Ten Commandments," asserts Hannah Hawk, a spokesperson for the Houston Muslim Public Affairs Council.

"Islamic values are not only compatible with American values, they're almost identical. I personally believe the most Islamic country in the world is America, where we believe in freedom of religion, freedom of the press and equality of all."

Pros & Cons

The call for new terms, which shows that words carry huge symbolic importance for Muslims trying to find their role in America after Sept. 11 and the Iraq war, has its proponents and opponents.

The campaign is significantly backed by non-Muslim organizations, including the head of the National Council of Churches.

Rev. Bob Edgar, general secretary of the council, which represents 36 Christian denominations, said he prefers "Abrahamic" to "Judeo-Christian-Islamic" because it "rolls off the tongue a little easier."

"The more inclusive we can be, the more committed we are to the founding fathers and mothers who struggled with the issue of respect for each other's religious faiths," he asserted.

The Right wing Christians are, however, opposed to this change and claim that to alter the phrase "Judeo-Christian" is political correctness and revisionist history at its worst.

"A lot of the ideas that underpin civil liberties come from Judeo-Christian theology," said Rev. Ted Haggard, president of the National Association of Evangelicals.

"What the Islamic community needs to make are positive contributions to culture and society so we can include them," he argued, turning a blind eye to the increasingly important role that Muslims are playing in the American society.

Another opinion based on ill-informed view of Islam comes from Michael Cromartie, vice president of the Washington-based Ethics and Public Policy Center, who alleges that a "Judeo-Christian understanding of things like freedom of conscience and liberty" are embodied in the American Constitution.

He claimed that "Muslims weren’t part of that, even though they’re part pf the discussion now, " forgetting they have been in the U.S. for over 200 years.


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KEYWORDS: abrahamic; judeochristian; muslimamericans
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To: Howlin
I don't have to avoid anything. If I wanted to avoid this conversation, I'd end it. I love seeing Poo get her panties in a wad.
101 posted on 05/20/2003 1:37:46 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Still unable to debate without being base, I see.
102 posted on 05/20/2003 1:38:22 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
You were the one who called me no less than three dirty names in a post not even directed to me. You don't seem to be able to debate at all.
103 posted on 05/20/2003 1:40:02 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: LenS
I haven't seen so many bold-faced lies since the fall of the Soviet Union.

Their propoganda seems very similar and as unbelievable as the old Soviets was.

104 posted on 05/20/2003 1:41:28 PM PDT by NeoCaveman
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Sure, and we know what your prescrpition is for those barbaric "Christians." Just give them the Reno roast.

They were quite cheefully giving the Reno roast to each other, all in the name of the same loving and merciful God.

I call them "Christians" because they weren't living in imitation of Christ. They're the sort who will loudly say "Lord! Lord!" at the Final Judgement, and Jesus will be saying "I never knew you, depart from me."

One more time:

If President Hillary Clinton announced that there was an "emergency" that required all "right-wing Christian extremist" citzens to be deported against their will, would you simply obey the expulsion order?

Yes or no. It's not a difficult question to answer.

105 posted on 05/20/2003 1:41:53 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: Howlin
You're a big meanie and a liberal, anti-Christian hater of all things good and decent, you admire Muslim terrorists, and what's more--AND---AND---you secretly love Hillary!!!

Howlin and Hillary sittin' in a tree!
K-I-S-S-I-N-G!

NYAH! NYAH! NEENER! NEENER!! Pbbbbbbbbbttthhhh!


106 posted on 05/20/2003 2:01:10 PM PDT by wimpycat ('Nemo me impune lacessit')
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To: Poohbah
Poobah the evangelist! You are so wise poobah, please instruct us on sound doctrine! Only you know who will be counted worthy to be saved. All those who do not practice Poobah approved doctrine will roast in the fires of Waco!

One more time: If President George W. Bush announced that there was an "emergency" that required all "terrorist supporting extremist" citzens to have their citizenship revoked be deported against their will, would you assist in the muslim insurrection against your own nation?

107 posted on 05/20/2003 2:04:15 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe; hchutch; Howlin; Chancellor Palpatine
One more time:

If President Hillary Clinton announced that there was an "emergency" that required all "right-wing Christian extremist" citzens to be deported against their will, would you simply obey the expulsion order?

Yes or no. It's not a difficult question to answer.

108 posted on 05/20/2003 2:07:15 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: wimpycat
Have you ever had a principle you weren't willing to compromise?

You say no man provokes you with impunity, but you rank yourself in a group who proudly bear the label: appeaseable.

I not big on appeasement myself, foreign or domestic.

109 posted on 05/20/2003 2:08:11 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Poohbah
What about if the muslim jihadist is merely denied all their constitutaional rights and imprisoned without trial? Does that justify your Muslim Jihad on Evil "Christian" USA? Jose Padilla and his lawyers want to know!

Oh yeah, that's right "internment" of citizens is okay and justifies war on America, but not deportation.

You're really a piece of work. Muslims wouldn't fight us if we deported them, they'd laugh their asses off as they walked right back over our open border. You and your Jihadist buddies would even issue them visas, so they can stick it to those you don't count as worthy of life and salvation.

110 posted on 05/20/2003 2:12:55 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe; hchutch; Chancellor Palpatine; Howlin
One more time:

If President Hillary Clinton announced that there was an "emergency" that required all "right-wing Christian extremist" citzens to be deported against their will, would you simply obey the expulsion order?

Yes or no. It's not a difficult question to answer.
111 posted on 05/20/2003 2:14:30 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: Poohbah
Poohbah justifies Muslim Jihad on America if citizens are denied their constituational rights! Are you the new spokesman for CAIR?

Funny how you never speak up to defend the rights of Christians.

112 posted on 05/20/2003 2:19:00 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe; hchutch; Chancellor Palpatine; Howlin
One more time:

If President Hillary Clinton announced that there was an "emergency" that required all "right-wing Christian extremist" citzens to be deported against their will, would you simply obey the expulsion order?

Yes or no. It's not a difficult question to answer.
113 posted on 05/20/2003 2:20:18 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: Poohbah
Poohbah says Muslim Jihad is only understandable when faced with the evil "christian" Bush tyrrany which denies them their constitutional rights and locks them away from U.S. courts on the shores of a Communist island. It is only just that they join the neo-nazis in their struggle against the Zionist occupied goverment! If Poohbah says so, it must be true!
114 posted on 05/20/2003 2:24:12 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe; hchutch; Chancellor Palpatine; Howlin
One more time:

If President Hillary Clinton announced that there was an "emergency" that required all "right-wing Christian extremist" citzens to be deported against their will, would you simply obey the expulsion order?

Yes or no. It's not a difficult question to answer.


115 posted on 05/20/2003 2:26:37 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: Poohbah
Now do you know how it feels to ask "The gifted one" questions and never get a response?
116 posted on 05/20/2003 2:30:51 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Poohbah
Where are your cronies Poo? Did I scare them away?
117 posted on 05/20/2003 2:30:53 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: wimpycat
Oh, you have exposed me. :-)
118 posted on 05/20/2003 2:31:24 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
I know what is is like to ask you a question and not get a reponse.

Whatever made you think that being appeaseable was something to be proud of?

119 posted on 05/20/2003 2:32:11 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
You were the one who called me no less than three dirty names in a post not even directed to me.

This was my post to Pooh, NOT directed to you.

This has become the new mantra of the malcontents/unappeasables/Muslim haters.

I notice you recognized yourself in there.

120 posted on 05/20/2003 2:34:20 PM PDT by Howlin
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