Feinstein-Schumer Gun-Control Act

The Federalist ^

[Travis McGee]

I don't totally agree, but I would certainly not argue with a man with a Garand at 600 yards in the California desert.

That's not the rifle I would take into a jungle though.

[Shooter 2.5]

Now you're getting kind of pathetic.

I never said I didn't like the Garand. Try to interpret what I wrote and not what you think I wrote.

I checked and the difference in velocity is

2750 for the Nato 7.62 M59 ball
2740 for the 30-06 2 ball

That's fact. I wouldn't care if the numbers were reversed, there's no one on the planet who would tell the difference while they were shooting.

Just because you never took the time to learn how to reload a M1A, don't project to others. I found it's easier than a enbloc clips. Faster, easier to reload five mags than 13 clips. Also with the mags, as I said and you ignored, a shooter doesn't have to dismount from the shoulder to reload.

If you don't like the M14 or the M1A that's tough. No one is interested. That's your personal preference. I like them both or else I wouldn't have bought them. I also know the Garand's time has come and gone.

Check out page 52 of this month's Rifleman. There's a picture of a rifleman in Iraq.

As Travis said, Sheesh.

[Centurion2000]

What happens when you get cosmoline in your mouth?

Check your private mail .... it's not exactly something I'd discuss in public .... but let's just say that Pepto Bismal will be your new best friend if you should happen to get it into your mouth.

[husky ed]

battlerifles.com is a good place for info on all things Garand and M1A1.

[stand watie]

for jungle fighting my choice is either the Ithaca 37 or Remington 870 with 8 rounds of #1 buck OR under the best of circumstances, a 10-guage Ithaca Roadblocker with 9 rounds of 3.5" 00Buck

NO rifle really will measure up to a 10 or 12 guage shotgun for close range killing in dense jungle.that i KNOW!

free dixie,sw

[stand watie]

YES it's my personal preference, based on more than 22 years as a combat MP & light infantryman. i'm also certified as a master instructor of both pistol & rifle marksmanship by both the US Army & the state LEO academies of TX & LA as a police rifle coach.

what are YOUR credentials to say i'm "pathetic"??? how many ACTUAL shooting matches have YOU been in, where the "target" was shooting AT you??? do you hold the Combat Infantry Badge or the Expert Infantry Badge???

i intentionally did NOT address having to take the garand from the shoulder to reload, as it is NOT necessary, for the TRAINED rifleman.

BTW, the M14 lasted less than 5 years in the US inventory for general issue. yes, i know that a FEW are still around in the hands of Marine marksmen, BUT the Model 700ADL and/or the Winchester Model 70 in 7.62NATO is better liked, even for that rather limited purpose.

NOW, for the difference in '06 & 7.62 NATO: YES the PAPER ballistics are similar for M2 ball & 7.62 ball; however M2 ball is more effective at 550 meters than the 7.62 is at 350 meters. sorry, but that is also TRUE!

if the M14 were so superior, PLEASE tell me why MSG Carlos Hathcock, USMC, stated more than once that the old M1 was SUPERIOR as a RIFLEMAN'S WEAPON than the M14 and that he was pleased to be able to pick a bolt action, rather than HAVE to use the M14.

[Teacher317]

What the democRATs refuse to accept is that their attempts at gun control cost them votes. Recent history is clear. DemocRATS have lost seats in every election where they made gun control an issue.

Clinton sycophant Sidney Blumenthal was on Hannity today, and when asked about what cost the Left the HoR, Senate, and White House, he replied that it was the GOOD Clinton policies, like Health Care and GUN CONTROL, that cost them the HoR and Senate. Apparently, he agrees with you!

(And yes, the slanted spin was overwhelming for the entire interview, and yes, I know that it is mind-numbingly stupid to blame GOOD policies for losing the federal government, but that's the Left for ya... if only we stupid peons would wake up and know that what they tell us is what is best for us.)

Let's hope the Dems don't figure it out any time soon! ;^)

[Shooter 2.5]

Suppose I tell you I have absolutely no credentials whatsoever, but I know for a fact that two bullets which weight within 3 grains of each other traveling at a whole ten feet per second difference are NOT going to give the ballistics you just wrote.

Also, I have never seen anyone reload a Garand with the butt still on their shoulder. If you know how to do that, I'd seriously like to know. Describe it.

If Hathcock liked the Garand so much, he should have told Burke to leave the M14 behind.

The only reason the M14 isn't our main battle rifle is the same reason the Garand was replaced. Something better came along.

[stand watie]

first, do you REALLY believe that the "pop-gun" is superior to EITHER in any way?????

did i say that Carlos Hathcock liked the garand? i think NOT! you should really try to read closely so you don't look less than bright.

what i DID say was that Hathcock did NOT like the M14! BIG DIFFERENCE!

it is also worth noting that White Feather DID use a (privately owned) NM M1 on at least one occasion at Firebase Tiger, when he took the head OFF an NVA colonel at a distance of MORE THAN 600 yards! pretty fine shooting with a rifle "whose time has past"!

FRee dixie,sw

[stand watie]

and cosmoline is POISON and tastes like H!

FRee dixie,sw

[stand watie]

BTW, my personal stock of M2 ball is only about 600 rounds; i can't afford to buy more than that, thus should "the worst-case scenario" arise, i can't afford to waste ammo.

neither can you. the name of the game in that situation is well-AIMED, killing shots, fired slowly & deliberately from beyond 400 meters where possible & from cover & concealment.

ole' COL Rogers Rules are still valid 3 centuries later!

FRee dixie,sw

[stand watie]

the CETME is NOW available in semi-0auto with either green, OD green, black * "realtree" camo.

FRee dixie,sw

[stand watie]

GOOD PLAN!

BLOAT!

FRee dixie,sw

[Shooter 2.5]

first, do you REALLY believe that the "pop-gun" is superior to EITHER in any way?????

The M16 is performing in a manner exactly the way it was designed. The troops like it and in the different configurations is better suited for the different operations. The only fault seems to be the wrong bullet at the wrong time. Some of the skinnies in Somalia may have been drilled through, but more of those troops would have been out of ammo if they had used something else.

did i say that Carlos Hathcock liked the garand? i think NOT! you should really try to read closely so you don't look less than bright.
what i DID say was that Hathcock did NOT like the M14! BIG DIFFERENCE!

Your quote:
if the M14 were so superior, PLEASE tell me why MSG Carlos Hathcock, USMC, stated more than once that the old M1 was SUPERIOR as a RIFLEMAN'S WEAPON than the M14 and that he was pleased to be able to pick a bolt action, rather than HAVE to use the M14.

it is also worth noting that White Feather DID use a (privately owned) NM M1 on at least one occasion at Firebase Tiger, when he took the head OFF an NVA colonel at a distance of MORE THAN 600 yards! pretty fine shooting with a rifle "whose time has past"!

Unbelievable. Hathcock's first tour rifle was a Winchester Model 70 30-06 with a 8 power Unertl Scope. For the second tour he used a Remington 700 .308 with a Redfield 3 to 9 scope. If you think Hathcock used a Garand for such an important assignment as killing a Colonel, you better show me that link. In "Marine Sniper", Hathcock shot a General from 800 yards. Since it was his first tour, I think he used the Winchester. Colonel Land did scrounge up some Garand "D"'s in 1966 but Hathcock was given the Winchester. I found no reference that Hathcock used a Garand in Viet Nam.

[Shooter 2.5]

Anyone interested in a "Garand vs. M14 VS. I like them all but I'm not married to them" Thread??

It's in the last posts.

[El Gato]

even the DIMs are AFRAID of "the gun lobby";that will NOT change anytime soon

IF every time they propose something like this, we wack 'em upside the head, figuratively speaking. If we just ignore them, they won't go away. They need to feel the heat.

[stand watie]

MSG Jerry Singleterry of the SF A-team at Firebase Tiger was there & was PRESENT for the KILL.

he said, during a class presentation @ USAMPS MPOB class 3-69, that was precisely the rifle that Hathcock used;evidently, the privately-owned NM garand was on-site & he took the shot & MASTER marksman that he was, it WORKED.

i was NOT there, thus i'm not inclined to dispute the ole' sarge's word.

free dixie,sw

[stand watie]

NO arguement from ME!

with dashole leading the DIMs in the senate & "RED NANCY" peolosi leading the PC-libs/damnfools in the HOR, the DIMocRATS are headed for a PERMANENT status of minorty, imVho.FRee dixie,sw

[stand watie]

AND at 300 bucks with 4 mags the CETME is hard to beat for a MILITIA WEAPON, if $$$$$$ are short.it was well-liked by the Spanish army & civil guard for a LONG time!

and it does shoot 7.62NATO, which is CHEAP!

FRee dixie,sw

[Shooter 2.5]

All you have to do is find me a link before I'll believe something like that.

There must be a site somewhere that listed his kills.

You said it, you prove it.