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Proud to Be German? New Generations Shout 'Jawohl' Thu May 15, 2003 09:54 AM ET

By Erik Kirschbaum BERLIN (Reuters) - Sixty years after World War II and at a point when most of the war generation has either died or retired, Germans are finally shedding some of the guilt that weighed on those born after 1945.

Many admit to a certain pride that their long-criticized country is getting worldwide attention for its pacifism.

A favorite joke making the rounds on the Internet before the U.S.-led war on Iraq delighted many Germans.

"You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy (Eminem), the best golfer is a black (Tiger Woods), the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France accuses the United States of arrogance, and Germany doesn't want to go to war."

The German government began opposing U.S. sabre-rattling against Iraq a year ago and Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder used his hostility to war to win re-election in September.

The stance triggered an outpouring of support for the government, with 90 percent public backing.

"For the first time in my life I can say I'm proud to be a German," said Bernd Stange, the 54-year-old coach of the Iraqi soccer team who, like many, applauded Schroeder's moves against the United States, a long-time ally. Stange fled Iraq just before the war and hopes to return soon.

PROUD TO BE GERMAN!

In a letter to the Sueddeutsche Zeitung newspaper that reflected the changing sentiment, Andreas Odenwald said he needed to adjust to a new experience: national pride.

"There was long an odd debate here as to whether to allow anyone to be proud of Germany," he wrote. "I can say I now feel proud, for the first time in my life, to be German and privileged to live in a country where the overwhelming majority of the public and its government rejects a war in Iraq."

Any sense of patriotism in Germany had been stripped from the national consciousness after the atrocities under Adolf Hitler. In school lessons, post-war Germans had the horrors of the Nazi past drilled into them.

Many born decades after 1945 are still confronted with mock "Sieg Heil" salutes when abroad as well as being called "Nazi" merely because of their German passports. They learned tacitly to accept without question their share of the collective guilt even if they were born after World War II.

The phrase "I'm proud to be German" was frowned on and could spark heated debate. Conservative politicians who just two years ago said they were proud Germans were associated with far-right extremists. Even President Johannes Rau said he had trouble with the notion of national pride.

"One can only be proud of something one has achieved," Rau said at the height of a debate two years ago, adding that people could be "glad" or "thankful" to be Germans but not proud.

Schroeder cautiously joined in the debate, choosing his words carefully to avoid being branded a right-wing extremist.

"I am proud of the achievements of the people and the democratic culture," he said. "In this sense, I am a German patriot who is proud of his country."

Although Germans were allowed to express a certain amount of admiration for their currency, the deutschmark, their "economic miracle" and national soccer team that won three World Cups, any further displays of patriotism were discouraged.

Yet the tide was beginning to change last summer when Germany's football team unexpectedly came second at the World Cup -- and was greeted by tens of thousands of flag-waving fans on their return home. "Germany's peace stance has helped relieve some of our sense of guilt from World War II," said Yvonne Eckert, 33, a computer programmer from Magdeburg.

LEFT-WING INTELLECTUALS GLAD THEY'RE GERMAN NOW

Even left-wing intellectuals who long had nothing but disdain for those who spoke of a "German identity" are singing the praises of their country's confidence to move from the role of close U.S. ally it had nurtured for the last half century.

"A few years ago it was deemed right-wing and reactionary to show pride in Germany or talk about an independent 'German role' in the world," said Klaus Schroeder, political science professor at Berlin's Free University -- no relation to the chancellor.

Jeff Gedmin, head of the U.S.-based Aspen Institute think tank in Berlin, said he was surprised recently by an elderly woman who approached him after a speech in Leipzig and told him she was proud to be German for the first time in her life. "I asked her why and she said 'Because we're standing up to America,"' Gedmin said. "Germans have been deprived of patriotism for decades. Now they're getting displaced patriotism defining themselves in their defiance of the United States."

(Additional reporting by Dave Graham in Berlin and Mair Salts in London)

Ready to talk: Colin Powell and his "good riend" Joschka Fischer

"FAZ" reports Powell saying that nothing is forgiven or forgotten, and that the USA is surprised, not that the Germans disagreed with the US, rather that Germany worked so hard in opposition the U.S.

Further, "FAZ" opines that the 'core problem' has not been Solved. Powell mentions how he is interested in the unification and expansion of Europe, NATO and the EU and that consensus is cool, however, consensus isn't necessary and that the US would act (again) without the consensus of 'it's friends'; i.e., the Iraq situation could repeat itself. [... the idea that the U.S. would act without consensus with Germany is considered the 'core problem']

"FAZ" mentions that the Roland Koch meeting with Bush was given big play on German TV as Powell arrived. This is considered humiliating for Schroeder.

As the picture shows, "FAZ" also emphasizes the two buddies, Powell and Fischer.

"FAZ"..Nichts vergessen und vergeben (nothing has been forgotten or forgiven)

There are some reports I've read that emphasize Schroeder's remarks that everything is OK. Most reports paint the opposite picture, however.

The Powell / Fischer hugfest has been a common theme and one that bothers me.

I agree with you. elhombrelibre. Schroeder's tactic of 'It's a disagreement, get over it', is irritating.

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