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Democrats....Bush Key on Assault Weapons
Associated Press - Las Vegas Sun.com ^ | May 14, 2003 | Jim Abrams

Posted on 05/14/2003 2:32:06 PM PDT by Godebert

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To: Amelia
And all you people who are carrying on so about the President "caving" are just helping the Democrats, IMO.
97 posted on 05/14/2003 5:01 PM PDT by Amelia (#8!)

And just for my edification, did you also make the same comments when Bush Said he had some constitutional conserns regarding CFR bill and then turned around and signed it?

781 posted on 05/15/2003 8:50:50 AM PDT by Area51
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To: Howlin
ROFL!!! I nearly choked on my coffee over the suggestion.
782 posted on 05/15/2003 9:10:04 AM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: Hacksaw
I confess shes my honey! LOL
783 posted on 05/15/2003 9:13:43 AM PDT by TLBSHOW (the gift is to see the truth)
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To: GingisK
I can assure the Republican Party that my vote will go elsewhere based merely on this issue. Take heed Party lurkers!

Ditto for me!!!!!!!

784 posted on 05/15/2003 9:17:15 AM PDT by kapn kuek
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To: AlbionGirl
Michigan is really a split state with a slight dem advantage.

In major statewide races, it went GOP for Gov(defeating incumbent) in 90, gov and Sec of State(defeating 40 year incumbent) in 94 and 98, and Sec of state and Att General(both open seats) in 02.

It went dem for Sec of state and AG in 90(incumbents), pres in 92, ag in 94(incumbent), pres in 96, AG in 98(open), Pres in 2000, Gov in 2002(open).

The GOP has controlled the state senate since 1984, and the state legislautre since 1998. The last gov race was 3% 4% for the last presidential race.If we convince about 80,000 people to switch from dem to GOP, we'll take MI in 2004. If we get those people that voted for Granholm, but also Mike Cox, we'll win. If we get the people that voted for Posthumus but not Bush(Macomb, Monroe, etc) and people that voted Bush the first time, but not Posthumus(Yoopers, State Workers, Eaton County), we can win.

And I'm under the impression that it would take a ton of practice to get any good at being able to handle it, and put it to good use should I need to.

It does, and I highly recommend training, especially with a pistol. One factor you also need to consider is recoil. The first day I shot my 12 gauge shotgun, my shoulder was extremely sore. I then used better technique by shooting it more often, and now I hardly notice the recoil.

If you are going to own a firearm, I'd ask someone in your union shop that has one where a good shop/range is to fire a few rounds from different firearms before spending big money buying one. Make sure you get the best firearm that is for you.

785 posted on 05/15/2003 9:36:19 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("It's the same ole story, same ole song and dance, my friend")
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To: wcbtinman
"The only result of political games and compromise with the socialists is the incremental loss of our freedom. I don't mean this in a theoretical sense, history bears this out."

This is absolutely correct.
786 posted on 05/15/2003 10:04:38 AM PDT by ought-six
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To: FreeReign
> Newt Gringrich was driven out of politics for doing the same.

Are conservative goals some how less important than personal ambition?
787 posted on 05/15/2003 11:10:24 AM PDT by xdem
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To: GingisK
It's a game. Study game theory to understand how virtually any system with probablity is considered a game.
788 posted on 05/15/2003 12:43:45 PM PDT by jagrmeister
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To: wcbtinman
You just don't get it, do you? The only result of political games and compromise with the socialists is the incremental loss of our freedom. I don't mean this in a theoretical sense, history bears this out.

YOU just don't get it, do you? The only result of voting for a third party is splitting the conservative vote and election of liberal Democrats, history bears this out. Think 1992, and Perot.

789 posted on 05/15/2003 2:03:09 PM PDT by Amelia (#8!)
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To: Amelia
The only result of voting for a third party is splitting the conservative vote and election of liberal Democrats, history bears this out. Think 1992, and Perot.

They know that, and they don't care - and that makes them just as dangerous as the left, in my opinion.

790 posted on 05/15/2003 4:30:03 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (When you’ve loved and lost the way Frank has, then you know what life’s about.)
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To: Dan from Michigan
I agree with you that there are massive problems within the Republican Party. It's way too liberal this point.

However, I believe it is bad for conservativism when the vote is separated between several candidates, considering it will put the rats on top, as it did in 1992 and brought forth one of the biggest failures in our nation's history, that being Slick Willy.

Of course the Republicans are not entitled to our votes, but a vote for Buchanan is basically a vote for the Democratic Party at this point.

We're screwed either way I suppose, but I would much rather elect real conservative Republicans (no more RINOs!!) than allow Democrats to win the presidency and Congress and see our nation on a bullet-train to hell.

I personally like Jeb Bush in 2008, judging by what he's done in Florida (Y).

791 posted on 05/15/2003 4:49:44 PM PDT by Jonez712 (I <3 America)
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To: jagrmeister
It's a game. Study game theory...

I'm an ancient computer geek. I know what BS you speak. Politics is not a game, as it affects the welfare of this Nation. Those who treat it as a game are contemptable.

792 posted on 05/15/2003 5:17:33 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
...you would undoubtedly be instrumental in electing a liberal Democrat...

If the Republicans can't manage to vote a Constitutional conscience when they are the majority in Congress, then there isn't a significant difference in the two parties. It makes little difference if the Bill of Rights is destroyed by Dems or Pubs. If the congresscitters want my vote they must make it worth my while. If they don't listen to me on key issues, they fail to represent me. If they fail to represent me, I won't vote for them anymore. If Pubs vote the Dem line, then let the Dems have full control. The Pubs wouldn't deserve to be on the hill.

793 posted on 05/15/2003 5:28:27 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: GingisK
The Pubs wouldn't deserve to be on the hill.

SOME Republicans don't deserve it, but the party gives us more hope than your tantrum votes.

You end up being part of the problem rather than part of the solution. The all or nothing philosophy might make you feel good, but you end up with nothing and in stagnation.

As someone mentioned earlier, look what the Perot vote did. I guess we can thank your type for Bill Clinton and the mess he left. Yeah......thanks a lot.

Your huffy I-must -have-it-all attitude helped promote your beliefs wonderfully, didn't it?

794 posted on 05/15/2003 6:10:46 PM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
...look what the Perot vote did...

The Perot vote came out that way because Mr. "read my lips" Bush lied to those who put him in office.

If the Pubs want my vote they must represent me. On matters as important as the one we are discussing, there will be no quarter. I've voted "straight party" in the past, and got screwed by the "game playing". Now the congresscritters have to listen to thier constituants. That is supposedly what they are paid to do. They hold a majority. They should use it. Look what the Dems can do when they are the minority. The Dems do plan ahead and work together. The Pubs cower in corner and trade away Constitutional institutions for pork.

I won't look the other way any more. Either my elected officials are with me, or they are against me.

Sorry you like to bargan away your rights. You won't bargan mine away.

795 posted on 05/15/2003 6:26:47 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: GingisK
If the Republicans can't manage to vote a Constitutional conscience when they are the majority in Congress, then there isn't a significant difference in the two parties. It makes little difference if the Bill of Rights is destroyed by Dems or Pubs.

Some just can't see, as their political party poms poms are obstructing their vision.....

It's becoming more clear that the differences between the two party cartel in DC are inconsequential.

796 posted on 05/15/2003 6:31:26 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: jagrmeister
It's a game. Study game theory to understand...

You continue this tact, clearly underestimating myself and those like me. This is the smug elitest air that gives a great stink to Capital Hill. You might just be one of those congresscritters.

I guess you overlooked the possibility that I, too, am playing a game. I was just explaining the rules: If the Pubs continue to participate in squandering our Constitutional Rights for any reason, I'll redirect my vote. If the Pubs don't set about reversing damages inflicted in the past, I'll redirect my vote.

I'm a player now. My moniker was carefully chosen. I have announced the rules. That is the way I will play. Now the Pubs should reflect upon their own future, and what it might bring if they fail to represent those who put them in office. As they say, "The gloves are off".

Oh, I love the sting of the game!

797 posted on 05/15/2003 6:37:47 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: Joe Hadenuf
It's becoming more clear that the differences between the two party cartel in DC are inconsequential.

That is an accurate summation. It seems to be a reoccuring theme these days. It sure makes me wonder about the NWO, "men behind the curtain" idea. I do wish the Pubs would show some guts and maybe a touch of planning. Throw in a little respect for the Constitution.

But I sing to the choir.

798 posted on 05/15/2003 6:43:16 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: xdem
Newt Gringrich was driven out of politics for doing the same.

Are conservative goals some how less important than personal ambition?

My above statement has nothing to do with Newt's "personal ambition" and everything to do with Newt's conservative goals.

Ask your retorical question to somebody who deserves such.

799 posted on 05/15/2003 6:58:16 PM PDT by FreeReign (V5.0 Enterprise Edition)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
It's becoming more clear that the differences between the two party cartel in DC are inconsequential.

The two parties gravitate their voting positions torward the center of the voting public. If you don't like this, then change the center position of the voting public.

Switching parties would be inconsequential.

800 posted on 05/15/2003 7:03:23 PM PDT by FreeReign (V5.0 Enterprise Edition)
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