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To: WhiskeyPapa
Well let's see, the Nazi's not only enslaved the Jews but tried to annihalate their whole race. They had every intention of controling the whole world and killing anyone that got in their way. While the Confederacy simply wanted the North to stay out of their damn business, yes we had a few slave and yes it was wrong. But I can't in my wildest dreams find anything remotely close to Nazi's & the Confederacy. You seem to know all the numbers on everything, find out how many people the Nazi's killed and then get back with me on how man people the South out right went and killed simply because they were black or white.
117 posted on 05/13/2003 7:50:27 AM PDT by HELLRAISER II
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To: HELLRAISER II
yes we had a few slave and yes it was wrong.

yes, so did the north till sometime AFTER the war.

121 posted on 05/13/2003 7:53:06 AM PDT by SCDogPapa (In Dixie Land I'll take my stand to live and die in Dixie)
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To: HELLRAISER II
"Yes, we had a few slaves"? According to the 1860 Census, there were over 3.5 MILLION slaves in the South, with another 430,000 in the border States.

Just under one-third of Southern families owned slaves. In South Carolina and Mississippi, almost half owned slaves.

Sometimes a person, or an institution, does something that is so horrific that it overrides all virtue the person or institution may otherwise have. John Wayne Gacy may have been a nice guy, but he murdered a couple of dozen boys. Hitler may have loved his dog, and Joan Crawford may have given money to charity when she wasn't beating her daughter with a clothes hanger.

Slavery was horrific, and if people didn't recognize that in 1791 (date of the Constitution), then they realized that over the next 70 years.

I normally would stand beside my neighbor and defend his home against federal intervention regarding how he raised his children, like if he wanted to homeschool. However, if he had his children in shackles, or abused them, or claimed to own them and be able to sell them, then at that point he lost the right to his own "sovereignity" over his family.

The South lost that right with slavery (and we can argue all day about what portion of the cause of the Civil War was slavery, because we all know there were other elements).

Even if States had not left the Union and joined the CSA, at some point the government should have forced the Southern states to abandon slavery.

I don't understand how anyone can support military action by the US against other countries in the interest of "freeing" people from oppressive governments and not understand that the concept of OWNING another human being is so contrary to the concept of basic, God-given freedom.

134 posted on 05/13/2003 8:03:55 AM PDT by Scoutmaster
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To: HELLRAISER II
They had every intention of controling the whole world and killing anyone that got in their way.

Hitler never had plans beyond securing the "lebansraum" in the east. He got sidtracked some, but he never considered world conquest.

Walt

140 posted on 05/13/2003 8:06:54 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa (Be copy now to men of grosser blood and teach them how to war!)
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