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China set to field World's Most Powerful Tank
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | 12 April 2003 | Jon Dougherty

Posted on 05/12/2003 12:31:32 PM PDT by swaimh

China has made substantial advances in some areas of its ground and naval forces, including upgrades to tanks and armor, laser systems and anti-submarine warfare.

Jane's Defense Weekly, a respected Britain-based military journal, said the People's Liberation Army is set to deploy a new main battle tank, or MBT, that, when fielded, will become the most powerful of its kind in the world.

The magazine said the tank will feature a huge 152 mm main gun with an automatic loader that, when coupled with a new advanced aiming system, will enable the tank to fire on the move with high first-hit-first-kill capability.

The U.S. military's M1A2 Abrams MBT, which is generally considered one of the world's best tanks, features only a 120 mm M256 smoothbore gun, developed by Rheinmetall GmbH of Germany. It, too, can fire while in motion and has a high first-shot capability.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; m1a1; m1a2; miltech; tanks
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1 posted on 05/12/2003 12:31:33 PM PDT by swaimh
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To: swaimh
Every time China announces some upgrade or advance in military technology, the whole world will be wondering how much of it was thanks to Chung Wong Foo Clinton.
2 posted on 05/12/2003 12:34:35 PM PDT by Dataman
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To: Dataman
We'll see how fast this tank is. Speed kills.
3 posted on 05/12/2003 12:36:09 PM PDT by dirtboy (words in tagline are closer than they appear...)
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To: dirtboy
Why does this thing remind me of the German Maus?
4 posted on 05/12/2003 12:37:27 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: swaimh
The U.S. military's M1A2 Abrams MBT, which is generally considered one of the world's best tanks, features only a 120 mm M256 smoothbore gun

I never would have guessed this. I would have thought for sure the barrel would have been rifled. Is this typical of tank guns? How about the big guns on battleships -- are they rifled?

5 posted on 05/12/2003 12:37:52 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick
I never would have guessed this. I would have thought for sure the barrel would have been rifled. Is this typical of tank guns? How about the big guns on battleships -- are they rifled?

Battleship guns are rifled.

Tank guns are smoothbores, because spin lessens the accuracy of long-rod penetrators (they use fins for stabilization) and the penetration of HEAT rounds.

6 posted on 05/12/2003 12:40:16 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: Dataman
Yes it has a 152mm gun, but the fire control, armor, and training is severely lacking. Couple that with the fact that they have no experience in large scale operational maneuvers and this article means very little.
7 posted on 05/12/2003 12:40:58 PM PDT by aegiscg47
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To: Yardstick
I would have thought for sure the barrel would have been rifled

Just a guess: if such a large cannon were rifled, the torque on firing would bend something.

8 posted on 05/12/2003 12:41:11 PM PDT by RightWhale (Theorems link concepts; proofs establish links)
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To: aegiscg47
Like the Russians, it all sounds good on paper.
9 posted on 05/12/2003 12:41:54 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: swaimh
Automatic loader, big shells, 3 man crew .....

Nice.

If the Chinese can keep it running. Maintained. Crewed. Electronics up and running.

(Har. Har. Har. Har.)

Wonder where they copied the (US-classified) armor?

(Not that Clinton would have sold them THAT technology, would he/she/they?)
10 posted on 05/12/2003 12:42:42 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I support FR monthly; and ABBCNNBCBS (continue to) Lie!)
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To: Yardstick
They went to a smoothebore (from the rifled 105mm cannon) for a variety of reasons;
1. Less fouling. Lands and grooves (rifling) attracts fouling which varies pressure and accuracy. It's also easier to clean a smoothebore. The 120mm will generally clean itself with the proper bore evacuator.
2. Ammunition variety. Just as with a rifle, grooves are cut for specific ranges of ammunition (projectile length), as the rate of the twist required to stabliize a round varies depending on the length (not weight) of the round. With the 120mm, spin is imparted by the projectile itself, so a wide variety of ammunition can be accomodated. This is probably the most important reason for the smoothebore.
11 posted on 05/12/2003 12:42:59 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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Heyyyyy, waitaminnit!!!!

Didn't the Russians just announce that they were developing the most powerful tank?

Who's next?!? Bhutan?

12 posted on 05/12/2003 12:43:18 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: aegiscg47
My tank's bigger than your tank.
13 posted on 05/12/2003 12:43:42 PM PDT by appeal2
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To: Yardstick
The smoothbore design is not necessary anymore because of the type of ammo used. People could spend a whole day explaining it. No this is not the type of gun used on a Battleship. They are rifled also.
14 posted on 05/12/2003 12:44:16 PM PDT by grapeape (Hope is not a method. - Gen. Hugh Shelton)
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To: SJSAMPLE
With the 120mm, spin is imparted by the projectile itself

Correction: the projectile STABILIZES itself with fins, not via spin (unlike the Clintons)

15 posted on 05/12/2003 12:44:24 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: dirtboy; Poohbah
After the Warthogs eat a column of these moving dumplings, will they be hungry an hour later?
16 posted on 05/12/2003 12:45:04 PM PDT by MattinNJ
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To: swaimh
Assuming the ChiComs could produce any number of these, do they have the capability to deploy and support them in any theatre of consequence? Perhaps they would be useful in an invasion of N. Korea.
17 posted on 05/12/2003 12:45:16 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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a huge 152 mm main gun

What targets need such a huge gun? The crew will certainly enjoy firing this, and will probably be ready to fire it a second time in a few days.

18 posted on 05/12/2003 12:45:32 PM PDT by RightWhale (Theorems link concepts; proofs establish links)
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The M1A2 Abrams has a gun mount which can accept the Rheinmetal 150 mm smoothbore which is superior to the Chinese 152 mm gun. It could turn the new Rice burner into scrap metal quick.
19 posted on 05/12/2003 12:46:09 PM PDT by DarthVader
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To: swaimh

20 posted on 05/12/2003 12:46:21 PM PDT by bmwcyle (Semper Gumby - Always flexible)
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