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Homosexual Groups Admit ‘10%’ Figure Is Wrong
Traditional Values Coalition ^ | Friday, May 09 @ 15:27:45 CDT | Traditional Values Coalition

Posted on 05/12/2003 9:23:01 AM PDT by Remedy

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To: ffusco
"You really thing any amount of propaganda is gonna turn folks gay? "

My guess is that if people are ever convinced that homosexuality is totally normal and natural, and then pubescent boys are exposed to gay pornography, there'd be a much higher percentage of bisexuality. But no, propaganda by itself isn't going to make people totally gay.

101 posted on 05/12/2003 10:45:12 AM PDT by elfman2
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To: GraniteStateConservative
While I may agree with Madison, I think the pendulum has swung too far in this case. He was speaking about the Federal Government. In this case we are looking at social structure and values.

We are succumbing daily to the will of the minority. Look where this is leading us. We are forced to change our way of life to accomodate very small groups. It this fair? Surely not.

Are special protections which are in effect redundant laws, needed? I feel like my rights are being eroded day after day. Each time a special right is conferred upon a small group, by definition it erodes the rights of the rest at the worst, creates conflicts at the best.

102 posted on 05/12/2003 10:46:00 AM PDT by raybbr
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To: All
this is the page with the audio links with the actual lectures. Listen and be outraged.

http://www.stevekaneshow.com/glstapes.htm


THE SEGMENTS TIME

Introducing the Gay Lesbian Straight Education Network (4:15)
http://www.forthechildreninc.com/recordings/maconf02.ram

Helping to Put Children into Sexual Exploratory Mode (3:54)
http://www.forthechildreninc.com/recordings/maconf03.ram

Gay Straight Alliance, Coming to a School Near You (2:25)
http://www.forthechildreninc.com/recordings/maconf04.ram

What Your Child Can Do On An All Out Sex Date (4:40)
http://www.forthechildreninc.com/recordings/maconf05.ram

Teaching Children to Try Lesbianism (3:37)
http://www.forthechildreninc.com/recordings/maconf06.ram

Children Learn About 'Fisting' and More (5:35)
http://www.forthechildreninc.com/recordings/maconf07.ram

Don't Knock Homosexuality Until You've Tried It (8:01)
http://www.forthechildreninc.com/recordings/maconf08.ram

103 posted on 05/12/2003 10:48:00 AM PDT by longtermmemmory
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To: Remedy
Wow...eventually the truth comes out eh? First the CNN lies about its "journalistic" practices in Iraq, the affirmitive action related "quagmire" at the ny times, and now this.

Life is good!

104 posted on 05/12/2003 10:49:05 AM PDT by BureaucratusMaximus (if we're not going to act like a constitutional republic...lets be the best empire we can be...)
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To: MEGoody
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/910022/posts?page=103#103

post 103 with what teachers were told to teach their students.
105 posted on 05/12/2003 10:51:16 AM PDT by longtermmemmory
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To: ClearCase_guy
Society has always had its share of discontents, sqaure pegs. Homosexuality, the practice, has always been around.

I personally don't think any kind of indoctrination is going to change any people. Only those people who were curious in the first place will "try it", but there will be a larger group that will experiment ( mostly girls) and after college ; ) return to a purely hetero lifestyle.

a monogamous heterosexual lifestyle has evolved over thousands of years and is the foundation of any society. By trial and error it has been found to produce the greatest levels of happiness to the greatest number of people .



106 posted on 05/12/2003 10:52:14 AM PDT by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus, Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: Mr. K
I don't either. I'll bet that their numbers include anyone who has EVER had even one homosexual contact as "bisexual".
107 posted on 05/12/2003 10:52:27 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Mr. K
Either way a statistical insignificance and way to powerful for the number involved. Time for for those in the majority to stand up and be heard.
108 posted on 05/12/2003 10:54:17 AM PDT by samuel_adams_us
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To: Blood of Tyrants
if you had a thought about homoseuxals it counts too.
109 posted on 05/12/2003 10:57:10 AM PDT by longtermmemmory
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To: kegler4; EdReform; Clint N. Suhks

But does that mean they're recruiting?

Abiding Truth Ministries - Helping families protect themselves ...

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We finally realize that recruitment is the only answer...lesbian goals must be to recruit more lesbians."

Homosexual activist Kathy McDevitt, in an appearance before the Davis City, California City Council in 1980. Davis Enterprise, October 2, 1980.

"[I am] tired of the old chestnut that our movement for public acceptance has not increased and will not increase the number of gay men and lesbians in existence. ‘There are more of us than there used to be.’"

Donna Minkowitz, "Recruit, Recruit, Recruit," Advocate, December 29, 1992.

Face the Truth -- "Gays" Recruit

Every day in this country, hundreds of young people try out homosexual behavior for the very first time. In some cases, these experiments are with peers, but very often the sexual partner is an older person (sometimes much older) who has already identified himself or herself as "gay." Most of us think of recruitment as the seduction of an innocent, perhaps emotionally vulnerable child or youth by an older sexual predator. Consider, however, that even homosexual experimentation between peers can be evidence of "gay" recruitment. Recruitment is a mental and emotional process that begins long before the first sexual act occurs. In the truest sense of the word, "gay" recruitment is a process of changing someone's attitude about sexuality, rendering him or her more likely to take that first step into the "gay" lifestyle. In some cases, recruitment emboldens a person to initiate a homosexual contact, in others it simply makes the person more susceptible to being seduced. In the relationship between recruitment and seduction we are not necessarily talking about pedophilia (adult/child sex), yet the process of "gay" recruitment is very similar to a tactic of pedophiles that psychologists call "grooming." In "grooming," an adult sexual predator will sometimes spend years cultivating a relationship with a child, leading him or her into a sexual relationship only after the child has been thoroughly emotionally and mentally prepared. "Gay" recruitment is like "grooming," but it doesn't only occur on a one-to-one basis. The most insidious "gay" recruitment is being conducted by "gay" propagandists as a nationwide marketing and public relations campaign. In this campaign, all of our children are being "groomed" at the same time: their attitudes about homosexuality are being changed by one-sided, pro-"gay" propaganda in public education, in television programming, in movies, in music, in advertising, and in every other attitude-shaping institution influenced by "gay" activists.

Understanding this simple truth greatly increases our chances of protecting our children from homosexuality. Recruitment begins in the mind and in the emotions; it begins when a person is persuaded to consider trying homosexual behavior. Not every young person who concludes that "gay" is normal will experiment with homosexuality. Neither will every child who experiments become exclusively "gay." Yet we know that all children explore life's possibilities. When homosexuality is presented as a normal option (instead of being discouraged), many will experiment with it who otherwise wouldn't. Some of those will choose to stay in the "gay" lifestyle, or remain trapped there by this strongly addictive sexual behavior.

110 posted on 05/12/2003 10:58:04 AM PDT by Remedy
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Am I the only one on this board to think that accepting this statistic as more correct than 10% will not change any minds on this debate?

As a matter of fact, in a few years, this researching group might modify their findings if they realize that their methodology needed improvement.

Will you accept the new and improved statistics if this researching group says that 11% of Americans are homosexuals, or 7% or 19%?

You can easily imagine the gay lobby quote the "improved" statistics and say, Even the researching group often quoted by fundamentalist Christians to support their 2% number now believes that the correct number is 11%."

As Mark Twain pointed out, statistics is a tricky game. I'll take this statistic as well as the other ones with a grain of salt

111 posted on 05/12/2003 10:58:25 AM PDT by george wythe
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To: ffusco
post #110
112 posted on 05/12/2003 10:59:03 AM PDT by Remedy
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To: ffusco
You really think any amount of propaganda is gonna turn folks gay?

I think so...propaganda prompted most Germans in the 40's to justify exterminating Jews, and prompted most of your 60's era hippies to become liberals. Once you have the head...the rest of the body will follow.

113 posted on 05/12/2003 10:59:34 AM PDT by BureaucratusMaximus (if we're not going to act like a constitutional republic...lets be the best empire we can be...)
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To: kegler4
post #103 while you are at it.
114 posted on 05/12/2003 11:00:40 AM PDT by Remedy
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To: BureaucratusMaximus

propaganda prompted most Germans in the 40's to justify exterminating Jews

The Poisoned Stream "Gay" Influence in Human History. Volume One. Germany 1890-1945. View as HTML

Igra's primary value to us today is that he was an eyewitness to the changes that occurred in Germany; an eyewitness with a uniquely prophetic sense of the danger of "gay" influence in society. I consider it a great privilege to be able to review his work for the modern reader.
Igra's Thesis: Homosexuality Was at the Root of Nazi Evil

"I had finished the writing of [Germany's National Vice]," writes Samuel Igra, "when my attention was called to a British White Paper, 'Concerning the treatment of German Nationals (including the Jews) in Germany,' in which the following statement is made: 'The explanation for this outbreak of sadistic cruelty may be that sexual perversion, and, in particular, homosexuality, are very prevalent in Germany. It seems to me that mass sexual perversion may offer an explanation of this otherwise inexplicable outbreak.' [Page 20. His Majesty's Stationary Office, 1939].
"The author of that statement is Mr. R. T. Smallbones, who was British Consul-General at Frankfort-on-Main from 1932 until the outbreak of the war in 1939. Previous to 1932 he had been stationed in other German cities. His opinion therefore rests on firsthand experience of the German people for a long period of years. I am convinced that his explanation is the correct one. For, as a matter of fact, the widespread existence of sexual perversion in Germany, not only at the time the Hitler movement rose to power but also under the Kaiser's regime, is notorious... And authorities on criminal sociology are agreed that there is a causal connection between mass sexual perversion and the kind of mass atrocities committed by the Germans (ibid:7).

The Roehm Purge, then, was not a "moral cleansing" of the Nazi ranks, but a re-alignment of power behind the German government which was primarily forced upon Hitler by powerful political elements whose support he needed to maintain control. Igra goes on to point out that not only did the majority of the SA homosexuals survive the purge, but that the massacre was largely implemented by homosexuals.

There is no question that homosexuality figures prominently in the history of the Holocaust. As we have noted, the ideas for disposing of the Jews originated with Lanz von Leibenfels. The first years of terrorism against the Jews were carried out by the homosexuals of the SA. The first concentration camp, as well as the system for training its brutal guards, was the work of Ernst Roehm. The first pogrom, Kristallnacht, was orchestrated in 1938 by the homosexual Reinhard Heydrich. And it was the transvestite Goering who started the "evolution of the Final Solution...[with an] order to Heydrich (Jan. 24, 1939) concerning the solution of the Jewish question by 'emigration' and 'evacuation'" (Robinson:25).

115 posted on 05/12/2003 11:02:01 AM PDT by Remedy
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To: GraniteStateConservative
Thomas Jefferson on Sodomy Sect. XIV. Whosoever shall be guilty of rape, polygamy, or sodomy* with a man or woman, shall be punished; if a man, by castration, a woman, by boring through the cartilage of her nose a hole of one half inch in diameter at the least. Peterson, Merrill D. "Crimes and Punishments" Thomas Jefferson: Writings Public Papers (Literary Classics of the United States, Inc. 1984) pp. 355, 356.
116 posted on 05/12/2003 11:04:01 AM PDT by Remedy
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To: elfman2
If you go by the fact that an extremely high percentage of homosexuals were pedophile and/or pederast victims, it seems likely that recruiting plays a heavy factor in the homosexual psyche. A key ingrediant int the homo argument is that they can't help themselves. Taking this to it's logical conclusion, then it is just as true that thieves and murderers are born, not made.
117 posted on 05/12/2003 11:14:15 AM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: DonQ
After more than 3 years of intensive field study I determined that Washington DC has absolutely no gay men

I assume that you are joking. I was very surprised to find out when I visited DC last year with my son that Washington has a very large gay community. It is even pointed out in guidebooks for the general public that Dupont Circle and much of the surrounding area are full of gay-run businesses. I wondered what it might mean that Washington of all cities seems to have such a large collection of gay people.

118 posted on 05/12/2003 11:18:33 AM PDT by wideminded
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To: BureaucratusMaximus
nazism played on historical anti-semitism and as nazism became the state religeon all societal taboos about mass murder were removed.

Propaganda about the gay lifestyle would recruit people if people were latently gay to begin with, this is the belief of Gay activists. To them we are all Gay to some degree but society has sublimated this impulse. It is pure horse shit.
119 posted on 05/12/2003 11:22:23 AM PDT by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus, Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: wideminded
probably not as much as the ads make you think. The color of business is green. What are the businesses? It is nothing for an antique dealer to put a rainbow sticker or flag if it brings in more money.
120 posted on 05/12/2003 11:22:37 AM PDT by longtermmemmory
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