Piestewa Peak controversy has legislative fallout (Napolitano)

Arizona Daily Sun ^ | May 7, 2003 | Howard Fischer - Capitol Media Services

[Reaganwuzthebest]

Please provide the proof...:

You keep asking for the proof... can't you see it for yourself? California was Reagan territory, it is now completely controlled by democrats and 35 billion dollars in debt. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why.

And NY isn't much better either. We're loaded with illegal aliens too.

[marajade]

Again illegal aliens aren't allowed to vote by law... San Diego is still conservative as is Oregon and Nevada... Please provide the proof... this will be my last post to you...

[marajade]

"California was Reagan territory, it is now completely controlled by democrats and 35 billion dollars in debt."

This isn't evidence... AZ is a billion dollars in debt in fiscal year 04 out of a 6.2 billion dollar budget... When the debt incurred the state house, state senate, and governorship were all controlled by Republicans...

[MARTIAL MONK]

Arizona is about 25% Hispanic now. In 25 years it will approach 50%. You can put the 3rd ID on the border and you can't seal it. We are going to have to deal with it.

The immigrant vote is up for grabs, especially in Arizona. If it becomes us vs them, we lose. They will gravitate toward existing splits in American society as they increase in prosperity. If we can paint a better picture of the future as a free society they will follow. If we can't, we deserve to lose.

I am more afraid of a New York socialist than a Mexican one.

[marajade]

Doesn't matter... again Bush got 50% of the Hispanic vote and younger Hispanics are trending Republican...

[Reaganwuzthebest]

No this is going to be my last post to you because I provided proof in post #36 illegals are voting. You have chosen to ignore the facts so there's no point going on about it with you any longer.

[marajade]

Illegals in CA; not in AZ which the point of this article...

[Reaganwuzthebest]

Illegals in CA; not in AZ which the point of this article...

Oh I see, the illegals in California are bad, the ones in Arizona are good.

How long do you think it's going to be before the Republicans cave and give an amnesty to all these lawbreakers? And they will vote democratic, and so will their relatives when they come here. Now I can easily google a chart that shows Hispanic voting trends and their party of choice, but why bother, you won't read it anyway?

[marajade]

Did Dornan ever prove their was fraud? I don't think he did... and I do believe there was a congressional investigation as well and it didn't turn up anything either...

[Black Agnes]

NV still elects conservatives, so does Oregon...

Only until they're outnumbered. I lived 8 years in a heavily Hispanic neighborhood in NJ. Other than the Cubanos...they ain't votin pubbin any time soon sister. Ain't gonna happen. I got harassed at my polling place for merely *registering* as a pubbie. Illegal? heck yeah. Do something about it? Ya wanna wear concrete shoes?

[Black Agnes]

W only got ~35% of the Hispanic vote nationwide.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

younger Hispanics are trending Republican...

Proof please, you got a chart, statistics? I'd like to see that information for myself.

[Black Agnes]

I am more afraid of a New York socialist than a Mexican one.

I haved lived around both. There's not a bugs behind difference in their bottom line. None. Punish the successful. Gun control. Etc. A Marxist is a Marxist is a Marxist. Only the color of their skin is different. BOHICA taxpayers! (Mexico is screwed up for a reason...you can't blame the guys on the top exclusively. They only do what the peasants allow them...There are elections down there)

[LS]

I remember ol Ev quite well. He had many good ideas, but he also flat did not know when to shut up or how to properly phrase issues. Hyperbole is good for car salesmen, not governors.

[DLfromthedesert]

I agree 100 %.He is a sweet soul, but still lived in another era, and had no clue!!

[kstewskis]

The problem isn't a strong Democratic Party, it is a lack of leadership on the part of Republicans.

Worth repeating.

The republicans in the state legislature have needed to get their acts together for a long time. I'm afraid they're losing their grips, if they ever had one, that is.

[lawdude]

"Hey Janet, the ends do not justify the means!"

They always do to a 'feeling' dem. A thinking conservative always analyses facts and arrives at a logical solution. Dems merely feel how something should "look" or "sound".

Has anyone noticed that all, ALL of Jan's actions so far are reactionary to play to feelings. Not one damn substantive conclusion to date.

And I suspect we have 3 1/2 years of the same coming!

[kstewskis]

Again illegal aliens aren't allowed to vote by law...

lol, there is the problem, it's your comment. When do illegal aliens actually follow the law? I'd reword your statement.

[marajade]

Prove it... I haven't heard of any ballot fraud in AZ...

[MARTIAL MONK]

Exactly. The Hispanic vote is in play. In Bush's speech this morning I think every name he mentioned was Hispanic. He's in the game.

If the only Mexicans an Arizona Republican sees is by peering through the fence at his gated community we are in big trouble. Freedom is big, rough and friendly. It comes in all skin colors and languages. A "buenos dias" and a handshake is worth more to a Mexican because it signifies acceptance. We can't run around calling them vermin and expect their vote.