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To: ArGee
"So have murderers but we don't coddle them>"Which of your rights are violated by adults having consensual sex, in private?

Your approach, using the power of government and laws to stigmatize and control their behavior, will continue to bring the matter into our Courts, until such a moment as these Courts will call it "persecution" and give homosexuals protected status under Civil Law.

If homosexual behavior is to be "stigmatized" based on our morals as a Christian nation, this needs to be done by the religions of our nation, not the government.

441 posted on 05/13/2003 12:20:44 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Most goldminers used to blame stuff on the ass.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Your approach, using the power of government and laws to stigmatize and control their behavior, will continue to bring the matter into our Courts, until such a moment as these Courts will call it "persecution" and give homosexuals protected status under Civil Law.

You may be correct that using the power of law to call something that is inherently wrong wrong will continue to bring the matter into our courts. I understand your point of view and respectfully disagree.

Shalom.

444 posted on 05/13/2003 12:36:01 PM PDT by ArGee (I did not come through fire and death to bandy crooked words with a serving-man... - Gandalf)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

** The Laity Rules! **

Someone quoted from Saint John Chrysostom, from his work: "De Sacerdotis," or, "Concerning the Priesthood." He wrote concerning the behavior of priests in the Church, and their relation to society. He cautioned that priests are not there to be rulers, to lord over the faithful.

Of course, he was writing in the 4th Century. There were no democracies then. Governments come and go, but the Church stands forever. The Church has to take a long-term view of society. Saint John Chrysostom, a Father of the Church, and a Patriarch of Constantinople, did not say that the laity, the faithful, should have no voice, though. We, the laity, have not only a right, but an obligation, to determine what sort of society we are to live in. We do this through the political process, through our votes, and through political discussions.

Have I ever said that people should give over their secular rule to Bishops or Cardinals? No. Religious leaders shouldn't be secular rulers of the country. The Church doesn't have a secular role. The Church and the secular are different. But that doesn't mean to say that the people themselves shouldn't enforce morality. People themselves have a right to say what kind of society they live in, what their children are taught, what behavior is acceptable or unacceptable.

When Archbishop Quinn of San Francisco wrote to the Superintendent of Schools, concerning the school board's plan to distribute condoms in the schools, the Archbishop offered the advice and wisdom of the Church, as a matter of discussion.

We have an obligation, (if we are lucky enough to be born in a moral society), to MAINTAIN that moral society for all future generations. To allow the degradation of morality, to accept a "let-live" attitude in morals, to turn away from evil behavior, would be cruel to not only the present generation, but also to future generations, as well.


458 posted on 05/15/2003 10:47:17 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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