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Settlers vow to resist any move to expel them
Guardian ^ | May 10, 2003 | Conal Urquhart

Posted on 05/10/2003 10:29:34 PM PDT by Chirodoc

The illegal outpost of Migron is a trailer park on a hill in the West Bank surrounded by barbed wire fences and guarded by chained alsatians positioned at 20-metre intervals. It provides a home, with views of Ramallah, Jerusalem and a part of Jordan, to about 40 families.

If the first phase of the "road map", the supposed solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, is to be completed, the families will have to be evicted and their homes dismantled.

Migron has been in existence for little over a year but it has an air of permanence. The trailers are surrounded by flower beds and arranged around communal lawns. The road to the outpost is new and superior to many in the region.

Yet the road map is unequivocal about its status. It says: "Government of Israel immediately dismantles settlement outposts erected since March 2001". This requirement is not one Israel's reservations about the plan.

An Israeli foreign ministry official told the Guardian this week that the government planned to dismantle between four and 12 illegal outposts like Migron as a "confidence-building measure" in response to Mahmoud Abbas, the new Palestinian prime minister, taking office.

Migron is not on the initial list of outposts to be demolished but its future will be a clear yardstick by which to judge Israel's commitment to the peace process.

Yishai Ivri, 25, was on guard duty and happy to talk about his travels in the UK and Australia and his nonchalance about the road map.

"I have lived in settlements all my life and every couple of years there is a new plan," he said. "It always has a different name but it is essentially the same plan. We are still here and there is more of us than ever before. We have no intention of going away."

On the hills surrounding Migron there were compact blocks of red-roofed houses, newly-built settlements with newly-built unroofed houses by their side. In between were villages of flat-roofed houses where the Palestinians live.

Mr Ivri said:"We are building all the time but so are they. It will take some time before we come into our inheritance." He became a father for the first time last month. All the inhabitants of Migron are young, orthodox Jewish families.

The men mixed traditional Jewish clothes with western clothes. Mr Ivri wore a colourful knitted kippah on his head, grey trousers, sandals and underneath his t-shirt, a tallit, a religious garment with tassles falling over his trousers which correspond to the 613 commandments in the Old Testament. The women wore long skirts and covered their hair in much the same fashion as ultra-orthodox Jews.

Israel has evacuated settlements in the past. As part of the 1979 Camp David accords between Israel and Egypt, Israel pulled out of its settlements in the Sinai desert.

The evacuation was resisted by the settlers but Amram Mitzna, the army commander at the time and last leader of the Labour Party ignored the settlers' claims of a biblical right to stay.

Mr Ivri said: "We are always concerned about bigger forces such as the US coming into play but we have heard it all before so many times.

"We do not agree with the road map process but we are not afraid of our neighbours," he said gesturing at the Arab village of Burka.

"We believe that we have a right to this place and they might say the same thing. We disagree but I think we have history on our side."


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"We believe that we have a right to this place and they might say the same thing. We disagree but I think we have history on our side."

And now for something completely different...

1 posted on 05/10/2003 10:29:35 PM PDT by Chirodoc
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To: Chirodoc
Israel has continuously destroyed Palestine. Israel has required the intervention of America upon this issue; an issue that tears at the heart of America as our government has no place in ME.

But America is a democracy, anymore ... it's all up for grabs.
2 posted on 05/10/2003 10:34:14 PM PDT by Buckeroo
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To: Buckeroo
Israel has continuously destroyed Palestine.

Say what?

3 posted on 05/10/2003 10:35:17 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Buckeroo
Am I seeing things? Are you back on the rez?
4 posted on 05/10/2003 10:38:30 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: Nachum
Israel is a problem dominating the world. It all came about because of second world war .... just after Britain gave away the concept that anyone agreeing with them was a good guy.

Today, we in America are stuck with britain's bold experiments. Isreal is one of them; a failure within global perspectove.

5 posted on 05/10/2003 10:41:44 PM PDT by Buckeroo
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To: Chirodoc

Referendum time!

6 posted on 05/10/2003 10:42:34 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Fred Mertz
No way ... I am here just to wate your time, pal.
7 posted on 05/10/2003 10:43:11 PM PDT by Buckeroo
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To: Buckeroo
You are wrong.
Your logic is flawed.

Until every American of European and African heritage removes themeself and returns to Europe or Africa because the USA is also occupied territory according to the Native Americans we have no right to tell Israel to give up land. Also when is the USA giving up Arizona and California to Mexico? Until you leave the USA you have no right to tell the state of Israel to do what you won't do.

By the way when do the Kurds get a state? How about the Assyrians? What about the Basques in Spain, the Lapps in Sweden - oh that's right those lands are not in Israel so we are silent. Only Israel has to give land back for "peace in our time" Prime Minister Chamberlin would be very proud of you your agenda!

8 posted on 05/10/2003 11:18:05 PM PDT by GaryMontana
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To: Buckeroo
Today, we in America are stuck with britain's bold experiments.

Today, we in America stand for freedom. Well, at least most of us.

9 posted on 05/10/2003 11:30:25 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Buckeroo
Somehow cutting down all the forests in Israel and turning it into a vast wasteland for 1400 years pretty much destroyed "Palestine". The 60,000 inhabitants, a third of which were Jews in the 1800's scratched out their existance on goats and searching for blades of grass between rocks.

Now Israel exports 10 TONS of flowers to Europe EVERYDAY, the land is blooming with the Jewish invention of drip irrigation and the rainfall patterns are shifting back over Israel because the Jews replanted the forests. From a backwater armpit of the world, Israel has become one of the leading hightech exporters.

Now if you like goat turds, perhaps Israel is destroying palestine, but from no other perspective is that true. The Arabs have a life style and wealth VASTLY beyond all the other Arab states, or at least the Arabs that are with Israel.

It must be a goat turd thing...

10 posted on 05/10/2003 11:43:13 PM PDT by American in Israel (Right beats wrong)
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To: Buckeroo
Israel is a problem dominating the world.

Nah, destroying Jews is the problem dominating your world...

11 posted on 05/10/2003 11:44:19 PM PDT by American in Israel (Right beats wrong)
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To: American in Israel

"Now Israel exports 10 TONS of flowers to Europe EVERYDAY" -- American in Israel

Wanna know how? American taxpayer dollars. Israel is nothing without continuous American support ... something I am not of proud of .... American aggression all over the world is getting worrisome.
12 posted on 05/10/2003 11:50:16 PM PDT by Buckeroo
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To: Nachum

"Today, we in America stand for freedom." -- Nachum

Really? Back that up with fact as America is losing ALL of rights, liberties and freedoms. While you dot your and cross your , I want you to tell me about who talks about liberty. Who talks about liberty in government? Or is "liberty" just a term to hold your tax-payer dollars towards nothing?
13 posted on 05/11/2003 12:02:47 AM PDT by Buckeroo
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To: xbar
What America is losing is our dignity from 250 years of world respect. The world is becoming our judge as government continues to play "world-cop."

Within our nation, our individual rights are almost lost. Today, America dominates the world nations about criminals. We have over 2,000,000 criminals in jail, today. Hardly a free nation.
15 posted on 05/11/2003 12:20:05 AM PDT by Buckeroo
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To: xbar
NoNo!

I am talking about the use of force. All of government is about this method to oppose our liberties. Government is is a horror-show.

You missed my point.
17 posted on 05/11/2003 12:42:06 AM PDT by Buckeroo
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To: Buckeroo


>>American aggression all over the world is getting worrisome<<

Oh the horrors. Americans are crushing the freedoms of peoples across the planet.

We "agress" and Saddam Hussein takes a dirt nap or lives in a cave.

We "agress" and women in Afghanistan can take off the burlap(controversial, I know)

We need to agress against Wahhabism and stamp it out. You want agression? You got it homey. While you hand wring, men are out taking care of "martyrs" who'd be just as happy to see you blown apart.

Despite your reluctance to face agression, America will face it and defeat it regardless. You are irrelevent.

-Mal
18 posted on 05/11/2003 12:48:13 AM PDT by Malsua
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To: Buckeroo
Having an out of mind experience?
19 posted on 05/11/2003 12:52:40 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: Malsua
Hussein was nothing; by the way where is he with over one trillion dollars of American tax dollars? Keep in mind he was watched for 12 years with fly zone stuff.

Hussein is nothing more than to give you sexual excitement about American government. You can't catch OBL or Hussein ... but you pay for it; and you love to watch FOX telling how great government is.

20 posted on 05/11/2003 12:54:35 AM PDT by Buckeroo
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