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Blue Chip economists trim U.S. growth forecast
Blue Chip Economic Indicators/Reuters ^ | May 10, 2003

Posted on 05/09/2003 10:08:28 PM PDT by Starwind

Blue Chip economists trim U.S. growth forecast

Sat May 10, 2003 12:00 AM ET

WASHINGTON, May 10 (Reuters) - Private economists trimmed their forecasts for U.S. economic growth still further and now regard even the second half of 2003 with pessimism after a slew of data showed the U.S. economy still struggling to recover.The closely watched Blue Chip Economic Indicators newsletter said its panel cut growth forecasts for each of the next three quarters, extending the steady erosion in the survey's outlook that began last summer.

Gloomier still, nearly two-thirds of the more than 50 business economists on the panel said risks to their forecasts for growth in the second half of the year were on the downside.

"In large part, our panel members grew a bit more pessimistic over the past month because most of the latest economic releases and private sector survey results signaled that recent economic activity remained quite subdued," said the May edition of the newsletter. Blue Chip said its panel forecast a second-quarter growth rate of 2.1 percent, down 0.1 percentage point from the 2.2 percent projection offered in April.

Forecasts for the third and fourth quarters of the year were also trimmed by 0.1 percentage point, to 3.5 percent and 3.7 percent, respectively.

"The paring of consensus estimates of GDP growth over the remainder of this year reflects diminished expectations of growth in personal consumption expenditures, business inventories, capital spending and industrial production," Blue Chip said in a summary of its latest survey.

Its May forecast pegged 2003 gross domestic product growth at 2.3 percent, down from 2.4 percent projected in April and the 2.4 percent growth achieved last year. This was the fourth month in a row the panel has cut the annual forecast.

Disappointing employment and manufacturing data in April show the economy likely began the second quarter on a sluggish note, following a weaker-than-expected initial estimate of first-quarter GDP growth of just 1.6 percent, Blue Chip said.

While most analysts still expect the quick, decisive military victory by the United States in Iraq will produce a rebound in the pace of consumer spending and business investment, the panel was scaling back just how soon and by how much the pace of overall growth is likely to accelerate.

"Business inventories are not expected to grow as fast as originally thought due to lingering cautiousness on the part of businesses about the likely strength of aggregate demand going forward," it said.

The U.S. economy lost 48,000 jobs in April, notching the third consecutive monthly decline after a 124,000 reduction in March and 353,000 loss in February. "Indeed, payrolls have dropped in six of the last eight months," Blue Chip said, adding the plunge in weekly hours worked to a cyclical low of 34.0 a week was "particularly discouraging".

While the return of mortgage rates to their recent lows likely signals housing demand will remain reasonably strong for a while longer, cool weather and a very modest improvement in vehicle sales will likely leave April retail sales little changed from March, the private survey said.


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: gdp; gdpprediction; usgdp
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"The paring of consensus estimates of GDP growth over the remainder of this year reflects diminished expectations of growth in personal consumption expenditures, business inventories, capital spending and industrial production," Blue Chip said in a summary of its latest survey.
1 posted on 05/09/2003 10:08:28 PM PDT by Starwind
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To: AdamSelene235; arete; Black Agnes; Cicero; David; Fractal Trader; gabby hayes; imawit; ...
Something to digest alone with your bagels and scones...
2 posted on 05/09/2003 10:09:55 PM PDT by Starwind
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To: Starwind
It looks like government growth will outpace private sector growth yet another year.
3 posted on 05/09/2003 10:21:25 PM PDT by Moonman62
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To: Starwind
I would think these economists whom portend to foresee and know all, would be the richest and closed mouth buggers on the globe. Why would they share 'this knowledge is power' tid bits with others.

I see the stock market gurus everyday take on the pathos of panic at the slightest breeze, that blows this way, or does not blow that way.


4 posted on 05/09/2003 10:21:29 PM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis
would be the richest and closed mouth buggers on the globe.

Forecasting macroeconomic conditions and forecasting investor sentiment in a specific stock are vastly different crafts.

Why would they share 'this knowledge is power' tid bits with others.

It isn't power. They haven't said anything you couldn't glean yourself reading the news. They do it because they find it fulfilling and they paid for it - a job they enjoy, same as anybody. They put their pants on just like you and I.

5 posted on 05/09/2003 10:28:35 PM PDT by Starwind
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To: Moonman62
It looks like government growth will outpace private sector growth yet another year.

Like a tumor.

6 posted on 05/09/2003 10:36:49 PM PDT by Starwind
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To: Starwind
These economist are more optimistic than I am.
7 posted on 05/09/2003 10:42:22 PM PDT by RLK
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To: Starwind; admin
We need major tax cuts and deregulation.

(admin: I hope I'm allowed to post such a controversial suggestion)

8 posted on 05/09/2003 10:49:07 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Starwind
The key to an economic boom is very simple. Massive tax cuts that are also offset by massive reductions in government spending on a dollar for dollar basis. This will shrink the roll of govenment (which stifles economic growth) and puts money in the hands of those that earn it an spend it and creat new jobs, new companies and reduce the power of Congress.

The enemy is CONGRESS, never never never forget that their power is derived from taxing us and buying votes with our taxes.

CONGRESS is a business that is very successful. They have created a market which is the transfer of wealth and their engine of transfer is the power to tax. They buy their votes with taxes.

When Don Corleon "The Godfather" made money he provided a product the people would hand their money over for, willingly. Those that handed their money over to him did receive a product or service. Whom is more honorable, Don Corleon or Congress?

9 posted on 05/09/2003 10:53:01 PM PDT by cpdiii (RPH & oil field trash and proud of it)
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To: Starwind
These wouldn't happen to be liberal economists would they? Considering the lack of growth on "the continent" we're going great guns.
10 posted on 05/09/2003 10:53:06 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: RLK
They're focused on the period during the war when the whole world - let alone the US economy - was largely on hold, literally!

Disappointing employment and manufacturing data in April show the economy likely began the second quarter on a sluggish note, following a weaker-than-expected initial estimate of first-quarter GDP growth of just 1.6 percent, Blue Chip said.

Looking forward economically with knowledge the war is now over and oil prices are down considerably, DOW Theory experts now confirm the DOW move sustaining bullish support above all the major moving averages with Monday's futures currently up 100.

11 posted on 05/09/2003 10:56:56 PM PDT by Steven W.
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To: Starwind
Since when did 2.4% growth become anemic? I remember after Clinton got elected that 3% was considered the miracle of the universe.

After a sluggish 2000, 9/11/01, Clinton's lies about growth in 1997-1999, the dot.com bubble, Enron hysteria, WorldCom lies, AOL lies, Tyco stealing, 6 months of doom and gloom talk about Iraq, a stalled Senate due to moronic Dems, a war, etc., I'll take a 2.4% growth for 2003 with only 6% unemployment (1996 level).

Heck, given Europe and Asia are in a tailspin, I'd take 2% and be happy. It's still growth.

Consumers are optimistic. Spending on durable goods is still hefty. Home sales and new home construction remain strong and will grow now that winter is over. Incomes are steady if not rising some. Consumer debt isn't exploding. Inflation is non-existent. Fuel prices are stable and falling.

In my opinion, the glass is more than half full. Are people being laid off? Yes. Mostly restructuring that gets rid of the corporate (and gov't) bloat of the 90's with overpaid, unproductive workers. Are some people "hurting"? Sure. And when Clinton "gave" us the greatest economy in the history of the universe (yes, that's a joke), I could find all kinds of horror stories of people that had bad times. That's the nature of a free people with a free market.

I'm not worried. The foundations are solid and if the govt's would just quit taxing everyone to death there would be more capital expenditures by business.

Where I live, businesses are building like crazy. A new Walgreen's is being built 1.5 miles from me to relieve me of the stress of driving to the one 4 miles from me. You can't get into the Home Depot down the street that is a year old and trying to get into a restaurant on a Friday night is nothing short of a 45 wait.

Economics is a local issue and a personal issue. Some places are always going to do better than others and some people will always be in dire straights regardless of the economic atmosphere.

But it's only the single mother of nine that lost her minimum wage job you hear about in the news.

12 posted on 05/09/2003 10:56:59 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Can you say "50 state landslide"? Sure ya can!)
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To: cpdiii
When Don Corleon "The Godfather" made money he provided a product the people would hand their money over for, willingly.

Willingly?

Don Vito Corleone: "I'm a gonna make a you an offer you can't refuse"

13 posted on 05/09/2003 11:01:44 PM PDT by Starwind
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To: Starwind
When Clintigula got elected, growth was 2 percent for the first sex years, barely. The last two years kicked to 4 or so percent because nobody looked while the big boys cooked the books. W has had to endure a quadruple witching hour.

(1) 9-11. (2)Wall street meltdown. (3)Iraq. (4)SARS.

I'm confident W will make it right. Indeed, the last few days indicate that he is on the right path.

14 posted on 05/09/2003 11:14:21 PM PDT by kylaka
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To: Fledermaus
Since when did 2.4% growth become anemic?

1.6% (where we're at) is anemic.

Consumers are optimistic.

And mercurial.

Spending on durable goods is still hefty.

No it isn't. It's below January levels. Just up from February which was an 'easy' comparison.

Home sales and new home construction remain strong and will grow now that winter is over.

Not likely grow. New mortgage apps have peaked and are declining. Re-fis are still strong.

Incomes are steady if not rising some. Consumer debt isn't exploding. Inflation is non-existent. Fuel prices are stable and falling. Incomes are not keeping pace with inflation which is definitley existent at 3%/yr. Fuel prices will rise as the dollar falls.

Consumer debt isn't exploding.

What planet are you on?

if the govt's would just quit taxing everyone to death there would be more capital expenditures by business.

If my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a wagon.

But it's only the single mother of nine that lost her minimum wage job you hear about in the news.

Yeah. All 448,000 of them in April.

15 posted on 05/09/2003 11:18:22 PM PDT by Starwind
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To: Starwind
HTML correction:

Incomes are steady if not rising some. Consumer debt isn't exploding. Inflation is non-existent. Fuel prices are stable and falling.

Incomes are not keeping pace with inflation which is definitley existent at 3%/yr. Fuel prices will rise as the dollar falls.

16 posted on 05/09/2003 11:24:49 PM PDT by Starwind
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To: Fledermaus
Since when did 2.4% growth become anemic? I remember after Clinton got elected that 3% was considered the miracle of the universe.

Since government growth accounts for about all that growth. And clearly, not enough jobs are being created to replace the ones that are being lost to productivity increases and overseas outsourcing.

Coming out of such a protracted slump, it wouldn't be unusual to see growth as high as 8 percent.

17 posted on 05/09/2003 11:36:18 PM PDT by Moonman62
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To: kylaka
1) 9-11. (2)Wall street meltdown. (3)Iraq. (4)SARS.

Dubya always uses 911 as an excuse, but IIRC, the economy was already tanking hard before 911, and the stock market was testing new lows at the time -- something which may have influenced bin laden's timing. The economy actually did fairly well right after 911, because of all the liquidity added as a response to 911.

I'm confident W will make it right. Indeed, the last few days indicate that he is on the right path.

He's starting to say some of the right things in his economic speeches, but he's also still saying all the bad things to the point of contradicting himself. He's now including just about every economic theory ever know to man. But as the old saying goes, he who stands for everything, stands for nothing.

18 posted on 05/09/2003 11:48:17 PM PDT by Moonman62
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To: cpdiii
The enemy is CONGRESS, never never never forget that their power is derived from taxing us and buying votes with our taxes.

Isn't it just great how our politicians are able to bribe us with our own money?

19 posted on 05/10/2003 12:27:17 AM PDT by Fraulein
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To: Fraulein
Well said, and who controls the Congress at this
vey moment? The GOP of course. Who will get the blame
in the 2004 elections? The GOP of course, despite the
root cause of our economic problems being 40 years
of government growth and giveaways. The GOP has prehaps
the last and best opportunity to tun back socialism
by reducing taxes and the scope of the federal
government. Will it happen? Probably not as getting
relected is job one for a Congressman instead of
doing the right thing.
20 posted on 05/10/2003 4:23:32 AM PDT by buckalfa
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