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1 posted on 05/08/2003 7:53:15 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed
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To: Beelzebubba; Joe Brower
YES!!!
71 posted on 05/08/2003 10:47:05 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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director of Gun Owners of New Hampshire, the NRA state affiliate

His ego is perhaps much larger than his reproductive appendage.

84 posted on 05/09/2003 6:05:08 AM PDT by verity
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God Bless you Sam Cohen.

Carl Rove is an idiot, not a campaign genius. Bush got those extra seats in Congres, not him. And one of the reasons Bush got them was through the support of Second Amendment People.

"I said "absolutely." His follow-up was that Bush had publicly campaigned on his position of "enforcing existing gun laws," and his position hasn't changed; he was just being consistent. Rove then closed the session and walked off the stage."

Yeah, Bush DID campaing by saying he would support 'existing gun laws'. As Schumer-Feinstein is due to expire, its hardly an "existing gun law" any more. If Bush signs this bill, he should kiss a second term good-by. The Gun people will NOT be taken for granted and will no longer support him. His posture on Schumer-Feinstein will gather NO new votes from the hard left or the middle of the roaders who have other issues. And, after McCain-Feingold, if Rove REALLY believes Congress will not pass the extension, he's an even bigger idiot than I thought he was. If the President refuses to take the heat, why should anyone else???

When you had that cockerroach Rove by the arm, you should have asked him about Senator Tancredo, another loyal conservative Republicna. Somebody like HIM should be in the White House instead of Bush. Tancredo woould protect gun rights, protect Family Values, and sweep out all the illegal aliens.



85 posted on 05/09/2003 6:15:08 AM PDT by ZULU
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GOOD! First, his anger told me that he knew that the hypocritical strategy was dangerous. More importantly, it tells me he'll remember the exchange.

Good for you! Proud of ya.....playing politics with the Constitution is, and always will be, WRONG!

91 posted on 05/09/2003 7:25:09 AM PDT by nicmarlo
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Just a few minutes later, I approached him to continue in private as he was leaving the building; I was the last to do so before he got into his car. This is where it got interesting: Rove took my arm and literally got in my face, using the old drill sergeant intimidation trick of speaking through clenched teeth with his nose an inch from mine. It didn't work, because I'm taller (and older, and uglier) than he is, and I took HIS arm in turn. He told me that Bush was sticking to his position, but that Congress would never pass the legislation. I told him that there were a lot of us, that we were dead serious, and that if Bush let the ban get renewed he'd lose the election, because freedom is more important than politics. He looked at me -- still with clenched teeth -- turned, and walked to his car, obviously angry.

Even though I have never owned a gun, and probably never will, I do support the 2AMD and the NRA. But someone has got to get this guy an IQ infusion. Whoever is in charge of 2AMD PR is as good as the Arabs are at their PR.

Good lord, the entire organizational structure supporting the 2AMD is in desperate need of new blood, and I hope they get it.

96 posted on 05/09/2003 7:36:33 AM PDT by AlbionGirl (A kite flies highest against the wind, not with it. - Winston Churchill)
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If guns kill people - then matches start forest fires.
98 posted on 05/09/2003 7:56:21 AM PDT by sandydipper
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To: Beelzebubba
I am a fan of the SKS. That's the old Russian design, kind of the "poster child" of so called assault weapons. It's cheap to own and operate, semi-auto, very reliable, and has the accuracy (and actually more punch) of a 30/30. It was built in most of the former commie countries.


A classic old SKS

It's still being sold and imported as a "curio" from some countries (Yogoslavia, Albania)but not from others...(China, Romania, Russia?) Most models are almost of identical design...so the forbidding it from coming from some places, while allowing it from others makes no rational sense. It's an agressive LOOKING military style rifle...particularly if you put on an after-market stock... Compared to modern real assault rifles though, its not impressive.

An evil-looking permutation...(aftermarket stock and accessories...same gun though)

LOOKS seem to be the primary reason why its banned .... (even if only when imported from only some places). Various hunting semi-auto rifles are MUCH more deadly, as the SKS has an effective range of only about 150 to 200 yards. Virtually any (actual) high powered rifle packs more punch (as said above, the SKS is about like a 30/30).

If you put certain "evil" accessories on it (like a folding stock or a bayonet, a flash hider or etc.) it becomes illegal. Unless of course, your gun was originally (legally) imported with those features, where that makes it perfectly legal... (these are called "pre-ban" imported models) Somehow its thought gang members will skewer their rival gangs with the dull bayonet, when they run out of ammunition....

In any event, as you can see--even if you were FOR the madness of gun banning--how Brady affects the SKS makes no rational sense. Just a mess of laws, making politicians look good when they say "I've supported the ban on assault weapons, while my opponent.... After all there is NO earthly reason why anyone NEEDS such a gun...."

Of course the stupid thing is real assault weapons (full auto, i.e. machine guns--which every army or even paramilitary group from Bangladesh to Kurdistan has) have been controlled (not fully banned) since the 1930s. (you can own one now if you want...provided you buy the right license) The scary looking, so-called "assault weapons" affected by the Brady Bill account for something less than 1% of guns used in crimes... What gang member wants to carry a semi-auto rifle, obsolete 50 years ago?

It's lying, feel-good legislation--applied without rational backing. The Brady Bill should be allowed to die of its own accord.

99 posted on 05/09/2003 8:12:20 AM PDT by AnalogReigns
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Gotcha journalism is as tasteless on the right as it is on the left.
103 posted on 05/09/2003 9:40:01 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (© 2003, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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