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[sal002]

I think the Bush Administration will eventually do exactly what I am saying. Appeasement requires sacrifice. Signing a piece of meaningless paper (which has been encouraged already by South Korea and Japan), requires no sacrifice.

[sal002]

Besides Bush is a pragmatist, right? He'll do what needs to be done, political consequence be damned.

[Just mythoughts]

The health care plan was stopped because of the secret method of devising it brought enough attention to enough people to actually read it.

Locking up doctors for helping was beyond even most loyal democrats. Another thing that stopped the health care plan was the fact that Clinton and his gang with algores help passed the largest retroactive tax increase in history and the very next election the Republicans took the House for the first time in 40 years.

The liberals are a bunch of elite pigs and see the rest of us as country idiots and their plans were grand.

They both hate the military and used and abused those in the military close to them. Coffee servers and all the rest.

Somalia was Bill's first job as commander-in-chief and he screwed that up so badly that all actions after that were done half-a$$.

"killing of the opposition" need not be done with a physical death, personal destruction as well as political, calling extremists nazi's and all the rest, wanting to starve children, taking away social security, lies. The would have to have total control before they would get to the path of physical removal of the opposition.

What was Kosovo all about anyway, and Serbia, still haven't figured out what that was all about.

The reason Clinton did not deal with Iraq is rather obvious today considering how much money the UN was raking in on the "Oil for Food program" as well as what Russia, France and Germany were collecting on their illegal deals.

Let's not forget all that Red Chinese money the Clintons and DNC and algore collected to win that 1996 election, and what the Red Chinese got in return.

[sal002]

Did you read it?

[Just mythoughts]

Parts, enough to realize that my own freedom of choice would be gone if it was enacted.

[sal002]

What parts?

I am just curious - I didn't spend enough time reading...much too long.

[Jim Noble]

A communist is a socialist who means it.

Hillary means it.

[sal002]

Perhaps...

I prefer to think of a communist as a Socialist who would kill to have his way....but either way, point taken.

Wasn't the Baath Party Socialist in Iraq? Why did it crush the Communist Party?

[Just mythoughts]

I do not have a copy, at the time parts were released and then the whole was available. There was a big legal fight just to find out who she had on the payroll.

I don't really feel like typing what I remember, however here are a few points.

Regional health care offices/divide up the country

No longer choice of which physician one could go to.

Physicians would be told whom they could care for.

Limitations on specialities.

Basically complete government control of all things medical

Come to mind right now, this was 8-9 years ago.

If you would like to find it it is probably available on- line somewhere, jail time for physicians for treating someone not designated was enough for me.

[sal002]

Really? The excerpts I had read never mentioned jail-time (though I imagine any such provision would be unconstitutional on its face). And from what I recall the impact on the average insured individual was minimal under the Clinton Plan. All analysis I saw was that the Clinton plan was a failed compromise between those who wanted a Canadian style system and people such as Senator Chafee from Rhode Island who wanted a more market based competitive universal insurance coverage system.

Now, the Congressional Democratic Plan offered at the same time was actual single-payor (ala Canada) and did do those restrictions.

I think there was large misinformation back then. Still, I am happy the plan didn't get enacted, but I don't think it is entirely fair to call it "Communistic" - that's just simple name-calling.

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[Admin Moderator]

It is hard for you to imagine different groups of leftists competing for the controls which can be used to enrich themselves?

[sal002]

I think the term leftist (also the term 'rightist') are overly simplistic. The Democratic Party has many different viewpoints - some of them are even openly in line with many of our party's platform (what's that guy from Georgia?). There are liberals (Daschle), there are socialists (Maxine Waters), and their are 'left-of-centrists'. The 'left-of-centrists' often cross over and support some of our causes...we need to reach out to them.

We have the same thing in our party. Social Conservatives (Gary Bauer), Libertarians (like me ;P ), and "Right-of-Centrists" (Chafee), as well as "Crazy" Conservatives Who Wish They Were Liberals (Buchanan)

To me, Clinton, as horrible of a person as he was, is a 'left-of-centrist'. So is Tony Blair - see how he helped us out?

[cibco]

Spot on...

[Just mythoughts]

The goal of this bunch is the transformation of our Constitution which at its foundation is that "RIGHTS" given to the individual by the CREATOR no government can take away.

That one very acknowledgement that the CREATOR gives what no man/government can or can take away sets this nation apart from all others on the earth.

Communism/socialism/liberalism is a belief that "MAN" can and should give, and they seek to replace the CREATOR with themselves.

[cibco]

Democracy is indispensible to socialism - V. I. Lenin

Democracy is the road to socialism - Karl Marx

The goal of socialism is communism. - V. I. Lenin

I have these quotes hanging nearby as a reminder.

[sal002]

I don't believe those people are as stupid as you say. To enact such fundamental change would require near total public support. It would be a fool to embark on the quest - and I think Clinton's slyness showed us he was no fool.

[sal002]

Right. However, Lenin is not in charge of any country, nor is Marx. What matters is what the people do.


I tend to think people who are Communist are less motived by the literal words of Marx, Tolstoy, Lenin, Disney and more by their own desire to stay in power.

Also, modern day Socialists have no desire to enact a Soviet style communist state....no one is THAT stupid.

[Just mythoughts]

They are a lot farther down the road than you think.

What they cannot pass with laws they get their activists judges to enact. They are never honest with their ideas and the only time they gain is when they convince enough that all is lost. Clinton claimed the economy of 1992 was the worst in 50 years an outright lie.

Then they raise taxes, and tear apart the fiber of the society.

I have not said they will win, but they are what they are and they have not given up their cause.

The Senate won't even allow a nomination for a judge to come to the floor for a vote, because he is considered too "right wing".

[sal002]

"too "right wing""

In politics, turn-aboout seems to be fair-play. I wonder if this is payback for Ashcroft blocking Ronnie White in 2000 because he once wrote an opinion overturning a death penalty conviction....sigh.

To me, judicial review by the Senate should be limited to the individual's ethical history. This political review has to go.